What exactly is wrong with Cranchi Endurance 39s

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Thre seem to be loads of 2000/01 boats on the market for well under £100k. Ok, so they are a 4 berth V arrangement which is unusual for a 40ft boat but the cockpit looks good, decent sized garage and decent looking hull.

Just trying to figure why these are not holding up in the value stakes...
 
actually if you can live with the interior nothing

that is a very good seaboat, altough KAD44s still run her a bit slow for is looks (mid30s), I don't know if there is any available with KAD300 but I dont think I saw any
the improved 41 Endurance with bigger garage make it loose a bit of value too
 
Hmm,

Well, it is possible to up spec 44s to 300s I beleive with a little work. I dont mind the interior, as for two its fine. there are a few locally asking mid £80ks, so possibly sub £80k purchase price which seems very good value
 
hmm if mid 30 knots max and mid high 20s of cruise is good for u, I would not touch them honestly
my boats had always this speed and was always among the faster on the weekends return run
altough the recent new big boats do go very fast...
 
What's "wrong" with it is that it has the accommodation of something like a Sealine S28 in a forty foot boat. Even the cockpit isn't that big as a consequence as it has a whacking great long sunbed.

The trouble is we're conditioned to compare prices by length, whereas most buyers compare actual useable space. So from that point of view it's "worth" similar money to a S28, about £50-60K.

Of course it's not quite that simple, you don't get a garage on an S28, the seakeeping will be much better, etc etc.

But to compare with with something like a V40 (as I've seen in the mags in a "what great value" kind of way) is a nonsense really.

Great boat, but not a £100K boat as it just doesn't have the space.
 
ari said:
What's "wrong" with it is that it has the accommodation of something like a Sealine S28 in a forty foot boat. Even the cockpit isn't that big as a consequence as it has a whacking great long sunbed.

The trouble is we're conditioned to compare prices by length, whereas most buyers compare actual useable space. So from that point of view it's "worth" similar money to a S28, about £50-60K.

Of course it's not quite that simple, you don't get a garage on an S28, the seakeeping will be much better, etc etc.

But to compare with with something like a V40 (as I've seen in the mags in a "what great value" kind of way) is a nonsense really.

Great boat, but not a £100K boat as it just doesn't have the space.
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actually I dont agree with what you say, but on facts you are right
altough you cannot compare it wiht an S28

the problem is if you think only for the inside you can, depends what your priorities are
but the value is where I dont agree with you, as the engines of the 39 Endurance all alone cost as must as the
so saying an S28 and 39 Endurance is a bit non sense...

the Cranchi Endurance is a boat for the young really, so if you are single or only have a girlfriend or a small family with a young child it is good for you
it is like a Sunseeker Superhawk or any powerboat for that matter
a boat for the young or the seperated, but if you intend to bring *******s to sleep surely is not for you
 
As someone who spent the Summer trying to buy one I will give an honest appraisal.

The Accomodation although 2+2 is still large. The aft cabin is the same as an Z34 and the U berth upront is massive as the boat is over 11 ft wide. The Galley is a good size and the heads are decent. The downside is that at 40ft it is a Cruiser size without cruiser accomodation i.e. only one cabin. Great for cruising as a couple or young children but limited with more people.....which puts people off. Also the U berth needs making up which drives SWMBO Mad.

The Cockpit is great and awful all in one! The three facing front seats are excellent for cruising and very supportive and comfortable. The U shape seating behind though feels small...infact only comfortably seats 4/5 adults. However they are great to sit on. The cockpit table is really just for drinks but it has a great wetbar. The Tender garage is great, if you are in the Med as you put everything in there and shut it. Also room for two adults on the tender garage so very med! The side decks are wide and the foredeck has a decent cushion for 2.

The problem is that it is neither a performance boat or a cruiser. It has a great hull but was never performance engined. Although a comfortable cruiser it does not have the accomodation. Great as a med Day boat, but no good in UK rain!

Paul
 
I m sure the mags did a review of the endurance series... I ll try to look it out if I still have it, but think the general view was it was a great hull, but I thought they were much faster than you suggest?
Cant promise this side of the w/e and pm me if I forget!
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
actually I dont agree with what you say, but on facts you are right
altough you cannot compare it wiht an S28

the problem is if you think only for the inside you can, depends what your priorities are
but the value is where I dont agree with you, as the engines of the 39 Endurance all alone cost as must as the
so saying an S28 and 39 Endurance is a bit non sense...
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When you and your wife and your two kids sell your S28 and buy a Cranchi E39 and bed down on the first night, what have you gained? Err, nothing. So it is a very fair comparison.

Now if you'd bought a V40 you'd have a nice forward cabin for you and the missus, and the kids have a good sized mid cabin aft, and the "lounge" stays untouched, lovely.

Hence they're not worth V40 money, and advice along the lines of "they're a bargain compared to a V40" is nonsense, of course they are they're effectively a much smaller boat!

Don't get me wrong, they're a great boat and I'd have one like a shot if I could afford one. But in terms of answering the original posters question which was Just trying to figure why these are not holding up in the value stakes... well that's precisely why.

Like most boats they're worth what they're worth but comparing them with "typical" forty footers makes no sense when they've got S28 style accommodation.
 
Also: long, thin, pointy boats don't make financial sense when you are paying for length in the marina.

If they had lost the sunpad, shifted the cockpit back a bit, and had a separate partitioned-off forward cabin, it would be a lot more desirable.

But they didn't, hence the description of "elongated S28 with a sunpad".

dv.
 
Being a bit of a Cranchi fan I thought I'd better comment!

Firstly, regards the price of 2000/1 boats at sub £100k I'm not surprised. The boats new were around £130k at that time so not that bad is it? I think I had a 2003 boat with the KAD300s by which time the price had jumped a fair amount(can't remember what) but it was a huge amount less then the V42. I'd always preferred the princess but could not justify the huge premium for a separate cabin. I guess that difference in prices is still reflected in the second hand market.

It is a great boat for two people, 3 weeks onboard no probs. With guests you don’t want to do more than a weekend. For a day trip 8 is ok. Yes you will pay more in marina charges for the same accommodation as a S28 but the S28 will be stuck in the marina when a 40 boat isn’t.

As for speed, I got 36 top and cruised all day at 3000 for 27 knots. I don’t think the KAD44s should be much slower. The V42 is a special boat though, quicker and yet heavier.

I loved the tender garage and the sun pad on the boat. Downside was engine access which made checking oil/water levels etc a real pain.

Also didn’t like the shower, drag the sink tap on the wall sort of thing didn’t seem right for the price of the boat. (Fixed on the Endurance 41)

Talking of which, nearly changed for the 41, better finished inside with more wood, radar arch points forwards (so much better to look and the built in lights are then over the seats not the bathing platform) but the boat is essentially the same hull as the 39, with extra bathing platform stuck on. Fitted with the 310HP D6s at launch it gained nothing in speed and sat heavier in the water.

In summary, great buy if you only sleep 2 onboard most of the time. If you prefer to sit in a marina at the weekend buy a Sealine (ducks and runs for cover)
 
In summary, great buy if you only sleep 2 onboard most of the time. If you prefer to sit in a marina at the weekend buy a Sealine (ducks and runs for cover)[/QUOTE]

Hmm very interesting you must also be in the marina to notice this. Fancy a John Smith's?
 
DPH said:
Being a bit of a Cranchi fan I thought I'd better comment!

If you prefer to sit in a marina at the weekend buy a Sealine (ducks and runs for cover)
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I think you're taking the Cranchi Fanboy thing a bit too far with your last comment!
 
Nautorius said:
The problem is that it is neither a performance boat or a cruiser.
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Spot on.
That's what was really wrong with that boat, and the main reason why she lasted in Cranchi range well below their average.
Years ago, I carefully evaliuated her, together with the Smeraldo 37 and the Zaffiro 34. The main reason why I ruled her out was her shabby performance: what's the point in having an average cruiser boat without a proper cruiser accomodation?
Secondly, the impossibility to fit an hydraulic gangway was a real PITA.
I always wondered what they were smoking in Piantedo while designing the boat, to forget that.
 
MapisM said:
Spot on.
That's what was really wrong with that boat, and the main reason why she lasted in Cranchi range well below their average.
Years ago, I carefully evaliuated her, together with the Smeraldo 37 and the Zaffiro 34. The main reason why I ruled her out was her shabby performance: what's the point in having an average cruiser boat without a proper cruiser accomodation?
Secondly, the impossibility to fit an hydraulic gangway was a real PITA.
I always wondered what they were smoking in Piantedo while designing the boat, to forget that.
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actually there is some other major companies who smoke similar grass to Cranchi...
so may be they are not the only culprits, and it seems there is a market for these boats
I think Cranchi delivered over 200 of 39 Endurance in a span of 3 years plus
the 41 Endurance has now been running quite in production and altough it has a bigger garage, a slighly larger cockpit, and passarelle the concept is still the same
you see quite a few of these running around the med, so its quite a popular boat
 
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