What does a "day sail" look like on your sailing boat

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Talking about sailing boats here .... I assume that motor boats cover greater distances, although that might be an incorrect assumption.

Each evening or morning I usually sit down with my electronic charts, cruising guides and the weather/wind forecast and decide which anchorages we might head for the next day. I then put my selections to the family/crew and we decide which we fancy.

After 10 years of doing this, the pattern of distances and the expectations of the family are so well understood by all of us that we have a evolved a sort of common language as follows:

The short hop - this is 10 Nm and usually follows a long slog or a windy/rolly night or when I spot something very interesting in the guide which is close by. This is a rare passage and in our month cruise perhaps only happens once or twice as no-one feels it's worth pulling up the anchor and moving for less.

The day sail - this is 25Nm and is our standard distance. I usually set the measure facility on the chart and sweep round an arc of 25 Nm until I find something interesting a mile or two either side of the arc. Probably a dozen passages of this length during our summer cruise.

The long slog - this is 40 - 60Nm and is usually only attempted if the wind is guaranteed to be in the right direction and I can persuade at least one of the crew to get out of bed an hour or two earlier than usual to help me weigh anchor and set the sails. The rest usually emerge from their pit once we are underway. Probably only 3 or 4 of these during the month as they are not that popular!

The overnighter - this is more than 75 Nm but, after discussion, usually gets broken down into a "day sail" plus a "long slog" as most of the crew prefer their beds at night. Most years we have no "overnighters" even though I enjoy them ..... but that's democracy for you!

The "missing" days of our cruise are spent at anchor for two or three days consecutively in a spot we have taken a fancy to.

When we used to charter in the Caribbean I would say that the same above Med parameters would apply. However, I've never sailed in the UK or Northern Europe and I'm intrigued as to whether these distances have some sort of "universal" application or whether N European sailing is different.

Richard
 
Much the same. Sometimes we would go as far as from Maylandsea to Osea (1mile), but on the whole, my reasoning is much like yours, though I would make a short day sail 35 miles rather than 25, and a long one up to 75. One of our regular hops is Lowestoft - Ijmuiden, which takes about 17hrs, so leaving at 6, we tie up in time for a night's sleep and move on the next day.

In olden times, distance was measured in "kennings", or about as for as the next headland, say 25 miles, which I find a useful concept which should be restored. In other words, a short sail is one kenning and a long one two.
 
In the Ionian, a day sail was determined by the next overnight stop, usually with a lunchtime stop that left about 2 hours to reach the harbour. Because of the wind patterns that usually meant up to 20 miles motoring to cool the beer and heat the water, then a brisk 2 hour sail in the afternoon wind to arrive at the quayside while there was still space.

Nowadays my day sail out and back from Poole is usually to about 3 miles south of Old Harry, or into Swanage Bay and back with possibly a lunch stop in studland to say hello to the seahorses.
 
Coincidentally, we use almost exactly the same phrases for our sailing.
We also have an additional one, a toodle. Just going for a sail for the sake of it with no particular destination planned, may end up back where we started or not.
 
Nowadays my sailing area is the coast of Normandy and Brittany. The tides are significant. Given a fair wind, I try to work the tides to best advantage., eg what places can we reach before the tide turns foul and which of them would we like to visit?
 
Talking about sailing boats here .... I assume that motor boats cover greater distances, although that might be an incorrect assumption.

Each evening or morning I usually sit down with my electronic charts, cruising guides and the weather/wind forecast and decide which anchorages we might head for the next day. I then put my selections to the family/crew and we decide which we fancy.

After 10 years of doing this, the pattern of distances and the expectations of the family are so well understood by all of us that we have a evolved a sort of common language as follows:

The short hop - this is 10 Nm and usually follows a long slog or a windy/rolly night or when I spot something very interesting in the guide which is close by. This is a rare passage and in our month cruise perhaps only happens once or twice as no-one feels it's worth pulling up the anchor and moving for less.

The day sail - this is 25Nm and is our standard distance. I usually set the measure facility on the chart and sweep round an arc of 25 Nm until I find something interesting a mile or two either side of the arc. Probably a dozen passages of this length during our summer cruise.

The long slog - this is 40 - 60Nm and is usually only attempted if the wind is guaranteed to be in the right direction and I can persuade at least one of the crew to get out of bed an hour or two earlier than usual to help me weigh anchor and set the sails. The rest usually emerge from their pit once we are underway. Probably only 3 or 4 of these during the month as they are not that popular!

The overnighter - this is more than 75 Nm but, after discussion, usually gets broken down into a "day sail" plus a "long slog" as most of the crew prefer their beds at night. Most years we have no "overnighters" even though I enjoy them ..... but that's democracy for you!

The "missing" days of our cruise are spent at anchor for two or three days consecutively in a spot we have taken a fancy to.

When we used to charter in the Caribbean I would say that the same above Med parameters would apply. However, I've never sailed in the UK or Northern Europe and I'm intrigued as to whether these distances have some sort of "universal" application or whether N European sailing is different.

Richard

Almost exactly the same with us.
 
My sailing area is Trinidad to St Maarten. All my sails are day sails with the exception of Grenada to Trinidad where I leave around midnight to get to the Boca around mid day and can clear customs and immigration in daylight.

The longest day sail is Bequia to Marigot Bay in St Lucia at about 65 miles 6.30 departure usually sees me in by 3 pm. Although there is a brief rough spell of the North end of St Vincent the rest of the sail is great fun with the old lady cracking along at 8 knots in the trades.
 
A day sail sometimes means 'as far as you can get without fighting the tide much' so that's up to 7 or 8 hours.
Longer legs are known as 'hoping to get there before last orders', unless they are evening departures.
 
a day sail is up to 24 hours on my boat.
a two day sail is up to 48 etc
a short hop is something done usually during daylight, but could be 7 or 8 hours.

So, for example, moving from Portsmouth to Torquay, which is 120 miles, is a day sail to me.
Anything less than 5 miles isn't worth putting the sails up for.
 
a day sail is up to 24 hours on my boat.
a two day sail is up to 48 etc
a short hop is something done usually during daylight, but could be 7 or 8 hours.

So, for example, moving from Portsmouth to Torquay, which is 120 miles, is a day sail to me.
Anything less than 5 miles isn't worth putting the sails up for.
You've got more stamina than me, I'm afraid. Years ago, I would look forward eagerly to a 20hr or more trip across the North Sea in a tiny boat. What is the shortest distance worth sailing? Yes, about an hour. It reminds me of when I used to drive round visiting houses, and wondering what the shortest distance was that made it worth getting into the car to go to the next one.
 
a day sail is up to 24 hours on my boat.
a two day sail is up to 48 etc
a short hop is something done usually during daylight, but could be 7 or 8 hours.

So, for example, moving from Portsmouth to Torquay, which is 120 miles, is a day sail to me.
Anything less than 5 miles isn't worth putting the sails up for.

120 miles! Surely that's got to be at least 20 hours? As johnalison says, that's some stamina.

We don't usually get started until 10:00 at the earliest and usually aim to arrive at our chosen anchorage around 18:00 at the latest so assuming 6 kph gives the 50 mile "long slog". If I tried to do that on a regular basis the crew would mutiny amidst shouts of "it's supposed to be a holiday cruise not an endurance test". :(

Richard
 
120 miles! Surely that's got to be at least 20 hours? As johnalison says, that's some stamina.

We don't usually get started until 10:00 at the earliest and usually aim to arrive at our chosen anchorage around 18:00 at the latest so assuming 6 kph gives the 50 mile "long slog". If I tried to do that on a regular basis the crew would mutiny amidst shouts of "it's supposed to be a holiday cruise not an endurance test". :(

Richard

the last trip, not counting the short 7 hour hop from plymouth to fowey (where I'm currently sitting out the gales) was from Poole to Plymouth. There wasn't much wind so it was a slow start (I switch engine off if I'm making any kind of way at all), leaving Poole mooring at 5pm, emerging out of the end of the entrance channel at 6.30pm then wafted out and around the corner, sailed through the night, caught the tide past portland and then straight lined across lyme bay where I snoozed in the cockpit (sailing solo currently) and then swung a right towards Plymouth and finally pulled onto the buoy at 8.30pm. It was easy and enjoyable. Also had dolphins and a full moonlit night and a sky of stars. truly wonderful sailing.
I sail by the tides though and with the aim to arrive in a new port in daylight. especially if I'm solo.

that's what I call a full day sail.
 
Not done as much sailing as I would like this year, but I have sailed singlehanded from Chatham to the Solent and back. Generally a short sail is 10 to 25 miles. A day sail is 50 to 70 miles. The journey round was Chatham to Dover, Dover to Brighton, then Brighton to Hamble. The return was Portsmouth to Eastbourne, Eastbourne to Ramsgate and finally Ramsgate to Chatham. The leg from Portsmouth to Eastbourne was fast as between Selsey Bill and Beachy Head, the log never dropped below 8 knots and I increased my maximum boat speed through the water to 10.3 knots - not bad for a Fulmar!

The only other sail was about 25 miles to round the wreck of the Montgomery in about 5 hours. Generally I cannot be bothered to just go 10 miles, it is too much effort to tidy up all the fenders and warps, plus hoisting the sails. Give me some distance to really enjoy a sail.
 
Its all in how you define a "Day Sail".

For me a "Day Sail" often doesn't go anywhere. I go out to the boat and take her out of the harbour and sail about a bit. Then come back to my mooring. Some times I drop the anchor in a nice spot and have a barbeque before we head back.
Some favourite spots were ideal for swimming.
Actual distance covered would be quite unimpressive. 5 or 6 miles some times much less.
Fulford Harbour to Russell Island and back or Sydney and Back after dinner at the Pub.
English Bay out round the bay and back.

When cruising leave about lunch time arrive in time for tea. 6 or 8 hrs. really no minimum or maximum.
If we have the dog she likes a walk in the morning before we go and in the evening when we arrive.
Probably sail further without the dog. Of if sailing further we don't take the dog.

If I want to get somewhere I just go there.

I am fortunate there's always a nice spot just a few hours away.

The vast majority of my sailing is just a "Day Sail". Even when I go somewhere.
 
When I used to Charter a boat it was quite different.

I always felt I had paid a lot to go sailing so I would put in a full day of sailing or feel I didn't hadn't got my monies worth.
Now I have my own boat it just doesn't matter.
 
Sailing in the Med, one's sailing day is determined by the distance between islands. Besides sailing single-handed I don't have to worry about crew.
For me 40 miles is a day sail, >80 a hard slog and 25 miles a doddle.
More significantly, I only bother to get the RIB on the foredeck for long-sails.
Distribution of sail-distances, helped by the meltemi, since the beginning of June:-

<20nm 7, 20-40nm 4, 40-60nm 8, 60-80nm 3, >80nm 2.
 
When we first bought our boat, the first I had owned in the UK, I was still working so time off was limited but we liked sailing her so much we would sometimes drive down from London to the Solent in the morning, spend the day sailing and drive home in the evening! :rolleyes:
 
We ar similar but when we go on holiday we always go over night when crossing the channel we gain a day that way. Typically we will arrive at the boat in a Friday evening and set straight off around 7pm and go straight fro the needles. My wife will go to bed once we pass The Bridge buoy. We switch shifts at around 3.30-4am. And she will wake me around 8am on arrival at Cherbourg.

If we are doing a long passage say Yarmouth-Dartmouth or plymouth to Studland then I will usually get up around 4am leaving everyone else asleep and slip away as quietly as possible. However this year this did not go well when I left the Dandy Hole to go west... there were some very steep seas off Rame Head and my wife was put through a washing machine.
 
I'm surprised at the relatively long distances covered by our Northern European forumites.

One of the things which keeps our usual distances in the Med quite short in comparison is that because of the heat it's often difficult to sleep at night so the crew tend to want a lie in until the heat starts to build around 9:00 and by the time we've been sailing for a few hours we are always desperate to arrive at our anchorage whilst the sun is still out and leap into the sea to cool off before settling down in the shade on deck to drink a few beers.

I'm wondering if the different weather in N Europe means that one might as well be enjoying the sailing rather than bobbing about on the boat at anchor?

Richard
 
the last trip, not counting the short 7 hour hop from plymouth to fowey (where I'm currently sitting out the gales) was from Poole to Plymouth. There wasn't much wind so it was a slow start (I switch engine off if I'm making any kind of way at all), leaving Poole mooring at 5pm, emerging out of the end of the entrance channel at 6.30pm then wafted out and around the corner, sailed through the night, caught the tide past portland and then straight lined across lyme bay where I snoozed in the cockpit (sailing solo currently) and then swung a right towards Plymouth and finally pulled onto the buoy at 8.30pm. It was easy and enjoyable. Also had dolphins and a full moonlit night and a sky of stars. truly wonderful sailing.
I sail by the tides though and with the aim to arrive in a new port in daylight. especially if I'm solo.

that's what I call a full day sail.


Reminds me of being in Fowey when there was a severe Southerly blowing into it.
We were swinging near the entrance to Pont Pill.

A schend gets this area under those conditions and we developed a roll with a period of perhaps 3 seconds with a mast angle of about 30 degrees.

This became very tiring.

I suprised my wife by booking us very luckily into a pub for the night.
 
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