What are fast trawlers all about?

I dont pretend to have the capital to design and market a serious competitor to Broom, Princess etc. I can only point people to these designs which you are entitled to feel are unsexy. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and if you are not tearing up £100 notes it looks all them more appealing to some. I am asking the big boys to look at these designs and produce something sexy that is efficient. Produce a sexy and efficient hull design and put IPS in it. Start with the obscenely inefficient fast trawlers. It would be socially more responsible and it might just sell.
 
About two years ago we had considered changing to a 43ft Cat. We had seen interior pics and thought that the interior volume would suit our liveaboard requirements. We went so far as to view one particular model - we walked.
Not getting at anybody here, but it is our considered opinion that these boats just don't look right.
You can argue efficiency until the cows come home but I think most people buy the boat they like the look of.
 
Why dont some serious manufactures then build some sexy efficient hull designs and give people the choice. Given two sexy 43ft boats surely the efficient one with the more comfortable ride will sell more. You probably had 1 choice of 43ft cat against hundereds of 43ft monos. My arguement seems to make sense given the furor of IPS. I have put a mono wavepiecer link in this thread for the record.
 
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Why dont some serious manufactures then build some sexy efficient hull designs and give people the choice. Given two sexy 43ft boats surely the efficient one with the more comfortable ride will sell more. You probably had 1 choice of 43ft cat against hundereds of 43ft monos. My arguement seems to make sense given the furor of IPS. I have put a mono wavepiecer link in this thread for the record.

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To be honest, we don't care about these things.
The advertising worked and we looked, we didn't like what we saw so we walked.
We bought a 50ft planing boat and we are happy. She looks right, goes well, more room than we need and not as expensive to run as we were led to believe /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
She just dosn't take the ground very well /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Victor - people refer to boats in 3 categories.

1) Displacement
2) Semi D
3) Planing

In truth category 2 does not exist. Any boat will plane under the right conditions, its just that ones that aren't meant to become unstable and dangerous. Semi D boats do have a hard chine and not a round bilge, and therefore plane with oft quoted speeds at 18-20kys, so the trad trawler style where you think its displacement actually isn't, its semi D and therefore planing.

Yep, your displacement boats (are they really displacement or semi D?) are far more fuel efficient. And if its the look that folks want, then great. I have to say, I am not really a fan of cats style, but if it means being able to stay on the water, rather than being driven off by fuel prices, then I would get a cat.
 
<u>I am not really a fan of cats style</u>

I find this an amazing remark. Let me make the same statement and see how silly it sounds to make my point

"I am not really a fan of monohull style"

There are hundreds of different styles and it is a question of finding one or creating one that you like. A big builder could design a cat one that has mass appeal.
 
Why???

I have as much right to not like the style of something as anyone else, and I take some exception to your remark. I don't like catermaran style, thats all. I may wish own one from a practicality point of view, and just to prove that I mean what I say, I own a Hyundai car (Terracan). I don't like the style of any Hyundai and the cars are all called stupid names. But, and here's the big but, they are cheapest in class, well built, cheap to service and come with a 5 year unlimited mileage warrenty. The whole package is unrivalled, and so I overlooked the "looks". As cats go, they have a long way to go before the package becomes so overwhelmingly obvious (like my Hyundai) that people will buy them for their merits.
 
Sorry, the post was not meant to come across as rude. If I said I did not like mono style then I am saying I do not like the styling of any monohull ever built. I am saying I dont like sports boats, ribs, trawlers, princesses etc etc. there are cats with wood interiors, modern interiors, furry dice interiors, trawler cats, ribcats, sports cats, fishing cats, cats that look more like monos, mono that look more like cats. the list goes on and on. Saying you dont like cats styling is such a sweeping statement I cannot believe it can be true.
 
I like some cats .... but the ones I like are still slightly ou of my price range....

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Would not dispute the practicalities of a Cat, but generally they do not look as sleek and attractive for the average punter and potential buyer as the rivalling monohulls. Would I consider one ??? well yes, under certain given conditions, but most off all, it needs to tick the right boxes for me... and the ones that do that today are far and few between .... and are rather large...
 
The design in the picture makes sense in terms of efficiency and moves away from "fast trawlers". Surely with the fraction of the investment in mono styling we could produce a sexy cat that must surely tick far more boxes than the present crop of "fast trawler" monos. I will advertise the fact here that as and when they become available, we want to market them.!!!
 
The problem will be to design something that does not look "dumpy" ... combination of beam vs lenght makes that difficult ... the rectangular shape does not give you that much to play with... better to use wavepiercing cat style underwater hull to house machinery & tanks and use the principles New Zealand Yachts have done on their big wavepiercers ... 30 M + as above, which is their 35M hull...
 
I fear the gentleman who started this post has an agenda in favour of motor cats, and a beneficial interest in slagging off everything else. Is this the same guy who is against MBM's save red diesel campaign? Cause if oil prices go up they might sell more cats? Dream on. 1) cats so far are ugly looking, 2) marina's not equiped to host them (too wide), 3) interior accomodation is poor unless on very large ones. But pound for pound an equivalent priced cat to say a 35ft mobo has a serious comfort problem, and ride problem in heavy head on seas.
 
I know that, and the title itself is provocative .... and advertising (self serving) is obvious.... and agree with you about Grace, Space and Pace (now that sounds like a Jag ad...), needs to go hand in hand, something they do not do now on the smaller ones.

I do not agree with the way things are done, (self serving and provocative), but if you put the appropriate deflectors on, it could become an interesting discussion.... if not the "ignore" function is a good one... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I do believe that Cats may be the biz for some commercial Ops and Dive Plaftorms etc., and can, if enough effort is put into design, be good and atractive looking... but I still have left to se any sub 40 something footers looking attractive enough to attract the critical volumes of private buyers....
 
Then you dont understand the market, victor. Some people believe that a semi displacement type boat, what you call a trawler type boat, is more seakindly at displacement speeds than a planing hulled boat but buyers of this type of boat still want the option of going faster when time or weather is pressing. So it is perfectly understandable that semi-d boats are having larger engines fitted
Furthermore some types of semi-d hulled boats eg Nelson, Aquastar, Grand Banks and others have round bilged hulls which some people believe offer a better upwind ride at speed than planing boats and, overall, are more seaworthy. If this type of hull is such a dead end, as you imtimate, why is it that harbourmasters and pilots continue to prefer this type of boat and here comes the killer question. Why are RNLI lifeboats still basically high powered semi-d hulled boats if your catamarans are so brilliant?
 
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