Westerly v. Moody

Another worry on the Oceanlord are the standard Barent winches - for which you cannot get spares. Do you need to budget to get rid of these (especially if doing an atlantic circuit?

Also It would be really useful to get an idea about the longlivity of these volvo engines 2003 series (provided the gearbox fix was aplied) and also the Thornycrofts fitted to many Moodies.

My last boat had a Perkins 4236 which seemed to go on and on... with copius quantities of oild being lost from the main bearing seal (not burnt).
 
Barient spares are still available from Australia - or at least, they were up to last year when I last needed something. Can't remember the address, but try googling australia+winch company and/or ARCO+winches. They have the tooling for Barient and Barlow winches.
 
Hmmm. A very big generalisation.
I accept what you say in your case, but I did not find that to be true when I was looking.
I bought my Dufour in France thru Ancasta & it was an excellent deal, they also insured that all the paperwork was done including VAT & getting her French registration cancelled.
The fact that they were Brits & were able to explain all the documents etc. in English, gave me the comfort to hand over my hard earned cash.

Horses for courses I suppose. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

poter
 
My old Dufour ( 1974) is very well constructed a bit like the old Moodys. Not too sure what the later ones are like for construction, but they have won best in show at the LBC on a couple of occasions, the 39' CC is a super yacht Dufour CC this one is in the UK.
You will find that most Dufours use a lot of wood & do not have that plastic feel of a lot of the French designs & coming from a Moody the interior feel was also very important.

They go quick as well... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Re: Dufour

Nice looking boat! Only worry on Dufours now is the the keep is incredibly narrow(fore and aft) at the hul joint, which must impose severe loadings on a grounding with resultant damage. May be I am being a bit over woried about this, but I do prefer to see a longer keel attachement area to spread abnormal loadings.

Any one care to comment on this???
 
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We are trying to get out and see the Moody 425 in Spain, but someone else has first refusal, so have to wait to see if they buy!



[/ QUOTE ]this is the one I referred to in an earlier post, where the broker told me she is as she left the boat show - all original everything, hardly used, and nothing added.

the other one is Aguadulce is OK, except for the permanently mounted davits sticking out the back.
 
Mand
You've narrowed the search to two good boats. When I bought my 425 we had whittled the list to the same two boats you are looking at. I've not sailed the Oceanloard, but the specs are solid. The 425 is an all around great boat and I'm sure either will serve you well. I've owned a 425 for seven years now and the only thing I would have changed was a switch to cutter rig (even though in 7K miles of cruising I've never needed a cutter). A couple of things to be aware of on the 425 as you look at them. Salon windows usually leak as do the seals in the 4-108. Steering conduit tubes can have wear points. Original shaft packing gland is a pain (replace with a PSS, works great). Cockpit seats and floor a plywood and will be needing a replacement at some point. Rudder is usually wet (Moody maintains that is in the design). Some original parts are now not replaceable such as the shower mixers. The rear lazerette covers generally leak. Ice box insulation could be better.
Overall, the boat has never made me nervous regardless of the conditions. It's the most "liveable" boat I know of.
It's to bad you aren't on the west side of the Atlantic. Mine is up for sale and is competely fitted out for a cumnavigation. Good luck on your search.
 
Thank you for the comments. It's nice to see owners being honest and not just praising. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Can you PM me with details of your boat, please, as we could be persuaded to buy on the other side if it's the right boat.
 
SVKodai,
I must admit that I recognise a few of the "niggles" you mention, namely the leaking windows, the ice-box insulation, and the shower mixer issue; I'd be interested to hear if/how you have tackled these?
 
Mand
The boat is on the hard in Rock Hall, MD. It's listed on Yachtworld.com. I can send you the lists of projects completed and a current inventory (we aren't going to buy another boat for a while, so we've left all equipment on the boat). I don't think this website allows me to send attachements so I'd need your e-mail address. Mine is SVKodai@gmail.com. A thought to consider is that the boat was brought to the US in 1989 (mfg date) and I assume no VAT has been paid. Not knowing how VAT works, that may make such a transaction messy.
 
Lille_bee
You must have had a Moody to have recognised some of the problems. OK, here's what I've done. On the icebox you can get access to the bottom, port side and fore sides. I used a combination of sheets of insulating foam and spray urethane foam to bolster the insulation abilities. I've got about 5 inches of insulation on average and it works much better, but in comparison to using vacuum panels (such as Glacier Bay) it's meager. The 12v refrigeration system runs about 7 hrs. per 24 in 85 degree ambient temperature (total of @45ah). The downside of the vacuum panels is, obviously, the extremely high costs. On the salon windows, the trick is to disassemble and clean very well, and then when you are reinstalling, put a few small pieces of monofiliment line in the grooves of the trim piece near the screw holes. If the mono line is slightly larger then the grooves, it prevents the caulk from squeezing out but you can still get a snug installation. Works fine. (Moody owners site has some different methods of resolving the same issue) On the portholes, just install new seals from Lewmar with silicone glue/caulk. Works like a charm. To make the portholes work better, a thin coating of silicone grease works wonders. On the cockpit seats, there is no solution short of chipping off the old seats carefully (embedded in epoxy) with a sharpened putty knife and buying new solid teak seats. (Moody has 'em) Installation is pretty straight forward. Use Sikaflex on the out seam. The whole process takes about 20 hours. I've finished them using Honey Teak, It's a great product from a company in Florida, USA called Fabula finishes.
On the shower mixer, the only solution is to buy a new mixer. Moody no longer has parts and no one could track down the original mfg. Just about any commercially available mixer will do. I've pretty much replaced/rebuild every system on the boat so if you have any other questions feel free to give me a shout.
 
What a timely & interesting discussion. My wife & I are looking at the same three boats, with the same goals in mind, we're hoping to go liveaboard in Spring 2008. So thanks everybody, this info is just great.

However, both my wife and I feel that if we have to climb over each other getting in and out of bed we'll be fed up of liveaboard before long, so island berth is a must.

From what I can find out they didn't start making the Oceanlord with this layout until '92. Any that I have come across this far are mid 1990s, as opposed to the Moody 422s & 425s which tend to be late 80s.

So I am comparing younger & more expensive Oceanlords which are on the limit of my budget, with Moodys that are older, and perhaps likely to require more maintenance, but which leave me with more financial wriggle room. On the other hand, I want to minimise the maintenance I have to do.

Anyone care to help me tease this one out?
 
IMHO there isn't really that much difference any more between a 15-year-old boat and a 19-year-old one: they'll both need to have had their rigging replaced etc...
A lot more depends on how well they've been maintained: a well looked-after 20yr-old Moody is still much better than a 6yr-old ex-charter yacht!
Another factor might be: whereabouts would you be sailing? warmer or colder climate?
 
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IMHO there isn't really that much difference any more between a 15-year-old boat and a 19-year-old one: they'll both need to have had their rigging replaced etc...
A lot more depends on how well they've been maintained: a well looked-after 20yr-old Moody is still much better than a 6yr-old ex-charter yacht!
Another factor might be: whereabouts would you be sailing? warmer or colder climate?

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This is some advice from a second hand Porsche Dealer.... seems to make sense in relation to lots of things:

http://www.911virgin.com/buyingtips.htm

quite amusing in places... Worth a read

Richard
 
Seems quite a few of us have the same idea as I'm looking to change the Rival for a Moody 422/425 in about 18 months for semi liveaboard. However the Moodys do seem to stick around quite a while before selling and almost all are overpriced by a fair margin (which is probably why of course).
 
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