Westerly Centaur Hull ID No

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Evening all

Recently bought a Westerly Centaur. I would like to note the hull id number have looked in
all the usual places, no joy.

Any suggestions where to look?



Many thanks for all replies


David
 
I think you will find it on the transom. Top LH corner as you look at it from behind .

That's where is is on the Berwick anyway

Very small and inconspicuous
 
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tarik said:
Evening all

Recently bought a Westerly Centaur. I would like to note the hull id number have looked in
all the usual places, no joy.

Any suggestions where to look?



Many thanks for all replies


David
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Wee plate where you bump your head going below.
 
VicS said:
yard number etc on that plate but I dont think you will find the HIN on there
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Surely Centaurs predate HIN..... However some have as you say a number
in a rectangular depression on the transom however it can be the same as the yard number also can be difficult to read.
 
Bilgediver said:
Surely Centaurs predate HIN..... However some have as you say a number
in a rectangular depression on the transom however it can be the same as the yard number also can be difficult to read.
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Early Centaurs dont have a HIN

but Westerly Wiki ( http://www.westerly-owners.co.uk/westerlywiki/index.php?title=Main_Page )says

Yard Numbers, Sail Numbers, and Hull Numbers

The Yard Number is the number on the plate in the hatchway and consists of a letter then 3 numbers i.e. A 123 The prefix letter originally indicated from which shed in Waterlooville the hull was made but soon came to represent the specific model being built. The digits represent the number of that specific hull. You'll also find the number in wax crayon on the underside of removable wood panels.

The Sail Number is a different number to the hull number. Some boats were registered internationally so weren’t given class numbers (GK24s for example). Sail numbers were issued numerically and in series when orders were placed, but if orders were cancelled the next ordered Sail Number was issued to the next hull coming off the production line. As the hulls were coming off the production line in numerical order, the Sail Number issued to it was the next ordered and paid for Sail Number. In this way, Sail Numbers and Yard Numbers got jumbled up. A further complication to be added into the mix is that some designs used the same hull but different tops.

The Hull Numbers were stamped into the moulding of the hull on the stern of the boat on the port side near the top of the hull. It is solely a Certificate of Hull Construction number issued by Lloyds Register of Shipping and is in the form ABC 123456. There is an example of a 1967 Centaur Hull Number here: [1]. Early Centaurs (prior to 1973?....any advances on '73) do not appear to have this.

If by chance your boat’s Yard Number and Sail Number coincide, that is a rare occurrence. More often than not the numbers do not coincide and because your Yard Number is 219 it does not mean that your Sail Number is 219. For example the Renown share the same hull with the Pentland, and the very first Renown built R1 has a Yard Number of O (oscar) 036. The authors Renown has a sail number of 129 but a Yard Number of O (oscar) 243​
 
On my 1966 W25, the hull number was crayoned under a drawer on the Galley unit. On my 1973 Pentland (which is registered) the ON is carved on a wood plaque. I haven't yet found the hull number on the transom. :D The sail number is 9, so she is a very early one.
 
Searush said:
On my 1966 W25, the hull number was crayoned under a drawer on the Galley unit. On my 1973 Pentland (which is registered) the ON is carved on a wood plaque. I haven't yet found the hull number on the transom. :D The sail number is 9, so she is a very early one.
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That may predate the numbers being on the transom. The Berwick I mentioned is a few years younger. ca 1976 I think.
 
GrahamM376 said:
I seem to remember that the sail number was also the ID in those days, don't remember any other number on our Centaur or Berwick, both of which were late ones.
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Almost ceratinly there on a late one but so inconspicuous that you would be excused for never noticing it.
I would not mind betting that the owner of the boat I mentioned never new about it.
 
VicS said:
Early Centaurs dont have a HIN

but Westerly Wiki ( http://www.westerly-owners.co.uk/westerlywiki/index.php?title=Main_Page )says

Yard Numbers, Sail Numbers, and Hull Numbers


If by chance your boat’s Yard Number and Sail Number coincide, that is a rare occurrence. More often than not the numbers do not coincide and because your Yard Number is 219 it does not mean that your Sail Number is 219. For example the Renown share the same hull with the Pentland, and the very first Renown built R1 has a Yard Number of O (oscar) 036. The authors Renown has a sail number of 129 but a Yard Number of O (oscar) 243​
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Mine do! 1977 Boat Show model with matching numbers CR1871 :p

Di
 
VicS said:
Early Centaurs dont have a HIN
If by chance your boat’s Yard Number and Sail Number coincide, that is a rare occurrence. More often than not the numbers do not coincide and because your Yard Number is 219 it does not mean that your Sail Number is 219. For example the Renown share the same hull with the Pentland, and the very first Renown built R1 has a Yard Number of O (oscar) 036. The authors Renown has a sail number of 129 but a Yard Number of O (oscar) 243[/INDENT][/INDENT]
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Vic it sounds like things changed over the years. My plate in the hatch indicates it is the Lloyds number. I have never found the number on the transom.

Definitely the same hulls were used for various models so a Centaur hull was used on the Centaur and Chieftain if not also the Pembroke. The only place my boat number appears is on the sail CH39 and the plate number in the Hatch is something in the 800's.

I feel the Westerly hull number is academic in most cases as it is the Yard number where one would record records of build under normal circumstances.
 
Bilgediver said:
Vic it sounds like things changed over the years. My plate in the hatch indicates it is the Lloyds number. I have never found the number on the transom.

Definitely the same hulls were used for various models so a Centaur hull was used on the Centaur and Chieftain if not also the Pembroke. The only place my boat number appears is on the sail CH39 and the plate number in the Hatch is something in the 800's.

I feel the Westerly hull number is academic in most cases as it is the Yard number where one would record records of build under normal circumstances.
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Yes its changed from a situation in which there were probably no HINs at all to, I think, a situation where they are mandatory. Since 1972 in the US I believe and presumably from some later date in the EU.
 
VicS said:
Yes its changed from a situation in which there were probably no HINs at all to, I think, a situation where they are mandatory. Since 1972 in the US I believe and presumably from some later date in the EU.
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1998 with the introduction of the RCD.
 
Tranona said:
1998 with the introduction of the RCD.
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Yes been reading up on it ..

Recreational Craft Directive compliant vessels – 16th June 1998 onward

Hull identification serial numbers should on all vessels built after 16th June 1998 appear in the international ISO format with fourteen characters. The prefix should be the country code followed by the MIC (Manufacturers code) – three letters. This is followed by the production model and serial number followed by the month of production and year of production or model year.

This is set out in this example:

GB –MPP1A01234F001

GB (country code) Great Britain – MPP (Manufacturers Code,name), 1A (Model)1234 (serial no.) F (month of build), 001 (year of manufacture).

This hull identification number should always appear on the transom permanently moulded or etched into the hull and occasionally on a permanently affixed plate. This is in the majority of cases to the starboard side of the transom.

A second plate is often affixed within the vessel in a location known only to the manufacturer and sometimes the police.

Some steel/aluminium vessels (often narrowboats) have this identification number stamped into one of the surfaces within the engine room.​
 
VicS said:
Yes its changed from a situation in which there were probably no HINs at all to, I think, a situation where they are mandatory. Since 1972 in the US I believe and presumably from some later date in the EU.
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Hi VicS

Yes that sounds about right.

'All' Colvic Watson motorsailer moulds have a four digit 'Mould number' hot stamped right on the canoe stern by Ardleigh Laminated Plastics (later Colvic Craft), approx 250mm down from the top of the bulwarks, these numbers go back to 1973 when the first Colvic Watson moulds were first made.

However I have also found out recently a number of other Colvic yachts such as the Countess, Atlanta and seaworker moulds were also 'Hot stamped' so it would appear Colvic Craft 'Hot stamped' most if not all their hull moulds.

Not sure about other models but Colvic Watson Motor Sailer moulds also had a Colvic Mould Certificate with the first owners name and mould date issued with the mould.

None of the Colvic Hull numbers run consecutively, the next number was taken out as the 'next order' came in for a mould, no matter what the boat type.

Mike
 
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