Well Done PBO

[Stemar]

"She's trying to make the world a better place"

"No, she's being manipulated"

I'm totally convinced of the first and half convinced of the second. I'd just like to know who's manipulating her and to what end.

Of course she's getting it wrong in some things - she's 16. I'm still getting things wrong at more than 4 times her age. As for "It's all the fault of the Chinese/Indians", how much of their pollution comes from producing crap (and some good stuff ) for us? Then, of course we have to consider that if they produce less than 1/3 of all pollution in the world, they're doing better than average.

I also wonder how much of the plastic on that Indian beach is stuff that we've chucked out & sent to be "recycled" in the 3rd world. It gets chucked into the sea or rivers, but that doesn't matter 'cos we've hit our rather pathetic targets for "recycling".

 

[Momac]

I do try to avoid single use plastics and un-necessary packaging but it seems impossible to eliminate it. If we all do one or two little things such as using durable shopping bags and try to re-use or recycle as much as possible that would at least be a start.

What does annoy me is all of the waste in roadside verges . Why do so many people think throwing empty drink bottles and takeaway coffee cups out of their cars is an acceptable thing to do? I take such things home for disposal , which requires very little effort.
To a lesser extent I see similar debris in the water and on riverbanks . I think almost all boat owners are responsible about disposal of rubbish so preaching to the converted on this forum.

 

[rogerthebodger]

Why do so many people think

The problem is that most people don't think.

Out of sight out of mind.

 

[Heckler]

Hmmm... reports suggest that it takes more than four times as much energy to manufacture a paper bag as it does to manufacture a plastic bag. Additionally, manufacturing paper also produces a higher concentration of toxic chemicals compared with making single-use plastic bags.

A, but if a whale eats one, at least it csn digest it!

 

[rogerthebodger]

A, but if a whale eats one, at least it csn digest it!

And a turtle thinks a floating bag is its favorite food jellyfish.

When eaten the plastic bag blocks its digestion tract and it starves.

 

[steveeasy]

Id not worry about why people chuck crap out their cars, As we progress which we will over the next few years, those people will become more aware. As the momentum increases in terms of recycling, packaging, the list is endless, we will look back in disgust. We should lead the way in all of this and will do. There is absolutely no reason why plastic bottles for drinks are not banned, lets go back to glass and recycling them. Yes I appreciate all the negatives, but the fact remains we need to stop and stop soon. The tax on carrier bags has had a massive impact on the reduction in numbers used. Things are going to change and fast. Try focusing on the positives and not the negatives.



Steveeasy

 

[pvb]

The tax on carrier bags has had a massive impact on the reduction in numbers used.

True, but there's been a consequent huge rise in the numbers of plastic bin liners used. We used to recycle all plastic carriers as bin liners; now we have to buy bin liners.

 

[ShinyShoe]

No, a young person is being manipulated. As I've already posted, if she really wanted to make a significant difference she'd be objecting in China and India. She isn't though. Makes you wonder why.

Because... The west buys from India & China.

The west, if it wants to, can decide tomorrow to force China and India and Africa etc. It's not difficult...

G7 could use importation tax for countries with poor carbon records, or better still would be two fold:

Carbon labelling on ALL goods so I know how much carbon everything we buy uses. I gather a local steak is likely close to carbon neutral, a Argentinian one not so.

A carbon charge. 1p per gram of carbon...

If the waste needs to be factored in, tax that too.

 

[ShinyShoe]

True, but there's been a consequent huge rise in the numbers of plastic bin liners used. We used to recycle all plastic carriers as bin liners; now we have to buy bin liners.

Do we really need bin liners?

Any reason they need to be plastic?

 

[maby]

Because... The west buys from India & China.

The west, if it wants to, can decide tomorrow to force China and India and Africa etc. It's not difficult...

G7 could use importation tax for countries with poor carbon records, or better still would be two fold:

Carbon labelling on ALL goods so I know how much carbon everything we buy uses. I gather a local steak is likely close to carbon neutral, a Argentinian one not so.

A carbon charge. 1p per gram of carbon...

If the waste needs to be factored in, tax that too.

I'd go along with that - and make sure that the carbon footprint of transporting all their tat products over here is factored in as well!

 

[Charlie Boy]

I don't get the Greta thing atall as all shes doing is preaching to the converted namely the West. Instead why doesn't she try her sneering / lecturing schtick with the Chinese & Indians and see how it works out given the scale of pollution from those two countries................

She isn’t talking to you, nor me for that. Its her peer group, the young people.
If they do nothing then they’re a Snowflake, if they do something then they’re being a preacher. Sneer, sneer

 

[coopec]

What bugs me about today's packaging is that I go to my local DIY shop to by a twist drill and it comes whit a card backing and plastic bubble just to hang it on the POS rack.

It amazes me at the amount of formed plastic containers tools are packaged in just for the Point of sale rack

My comment was not relevant to the thread

 

[rogerthebodger]

I think you'll find they do that to stop pilfering/shoplifting. A tiny drill can fit into anything: you could carry that in your hand with your car keys but with the packaging it is a lot harder.

Clive I do understand why its done. Its sad that it is necessary due to the dishonesty of people.

 

[coopec]

Clive I do understand why its done. Its sad that it is necessary due to the dishonesty of people.

I thought you'd be well and truly used to dishonesty as you live in Africa!
Not surprising there are so many guards with AK47s and backyards enclosed with 6ft high barbed fences (and a rottweiler dog inside)

 

[Daydream believer]

I think you'll find they do that to stop pilfering/shoplifting. A tiny drill can fit into anything: you could carry that in your hand with your car keys but with the packaging it is a lot harder.

That must explain why Amazon will send that item in a box big enough to take 4 pairs of shoes instead of an envelope & send it in a a lorry rather than via the postman with all the junk mail.
I suppose being nicely packaged one can then put it on flea bay so others can say " Mine was nicked, but I was able to buy yours at half price, so it was Ok"

 

[coopec]

Not relevant to the thread

 

[rogerthebodger]

I thought you'd be well and truly used to dishonesty as you live in Africa!
Not surprising there are so many guards with AK47s and backyards enclosed with 6ft high barbed fences (and a rottweiler dog inside)

I an very used to what we call affirmative shopping. The worst was my employees and most were white.

6ft high walls mine are 8 ft and I live in an enclosed area with controlled access and roving guards. Same with the marina. but the weather is nice and the cost of living is cheap and most of the africans are pleasant you just need to give then some respect. We do have some very nice african friends.

 

[coopec]

 

[rogerthebodger]

My doctor is black African and is one of the best I've come across.
Even the locals (black) warned me of the dangers Johannesburg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/B...UEQDXiPZCpVK_JOfFDnnafXb_rFomK4FwMEz1FD=s1200

That's very interesting and about right for South Africa when you consider we had a very corrupt president for 10 years up to 2 years ago and the current one is IMHO trying to change things but there are various factions and corrupt people who see politics as a route to personal wealth.

We have only had a "true" democracy for 25 years how long has the UK and Australia had true democracy, a lot longer.

Time will tell.

 

[coopec]

That's very interesting and about right for South Africa when you consider we had a very corrupt president for 10 years up to 2 years ago and the current one is IMHO trying to change things but there are various factions and corrupt people who see politics as a route to personal wealth.

We have only had a "true" democracy for 25 years how long has the UK and Australia had true democracy, a lot longer.

Time will tell.

My post not relevant to the thread