Weight mystery

river251 said:
Thank you guys so much. I couldn't get this info anywhere else.

I made up a list of things to see how much weight I might want to carry. I was shocked. I did not include full tools and spares, as I don't know that. The Honda Rukus and 1000w workstation probably could go, but weight-wise they are not heavy. Figuring out power I need to do, but the 1000w workstation, like I have at work, is probably too much demand.

What do you think?

WEIGHT 30 DAY VOYAGE
Guitar&Case
2​
30​
Amp
1​
30​
Clothes&shoes
1​
50​
Weather clothes
1​
20​
Macbook pro
2​
10​
Dell 5820q
1​
55​
iPad
2​
2​
dell 27 display
2​
20​
food 3lb/day
30​
90​
freezer 4.5 cf
1​
64​
spotzerowater
1​
150​
garmin radar
1​
15​
bicycle
1​
20​
weights
1​
200​
honda ruckus
1​
200​
drill sabresaw
2​
10​
batteries
4​
5​
fuel tank
35​
305​
water tank
75​
675​
dingy+outboard
1​
150​
TOTAL
2101​
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What are those weights? - if they are weight lifting weights, use 2 jerry cans of water! or your anchor(s)

Your dinghy is a bit OTT our dinghy (a foldable) is about 30kg and we are using a little 2stroke which I think is 18kg.

To reduce weight, take the internal doors out - with one person on board I don't think they will be necessary. I you worry about boarders - add some curtains instead:)

after that its stripping out 1kg or 2kg here and there. If the Honda is needed to run the computer maybe think of more solar or if funds stretch a WattnSea

Jonathan
 
No, the Honda is a motorcycle. Not sure how I'd get it to shore but only 200 lbs....but I guess I forgot to include a generator, the Hondas seem good and probably 100 lbs.

But what about the 2100 lbs? Is that what you guys call "light"? Or am I pushing the weight too much?
 
river251 said:
No, the Honda is a motorcycle. Not sure how I'd get it to shore but only 200 lbs....but I guess I forgot to include a generator, the Hondas seem good and probably 100 lbs.

But what about the 2100 lbs? Is that what you guys call "light"? Or am I pushing the weight too much?
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If you are considering a guitar + amp, a motorcycle, lifting weights, and desktop computer + laptop + tablet I think you have a way to go to understanding the concept of "light" multihull sailing. "Light" is titanium cutlery, one plastic mug and plate per person, down sleeping bag, mountain rather than sailing waterproofs, carbon sails, minimal spare clothes, only the water you absolutely need, books with covers removed, no food or drink in glass containers... ;)
 
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AngusMcDoon said:
If you are considering a guitar + amp, a motorcycle, lifting weights, and desktop computer + laptop + tablet I think you have a way to go to understanding the concept of "light" multihull sailing. "Light" is titanium cutlery, one plastic mug and plate per person, down sleeping bag, mountain rather than sailing waterproofs, carbon sails, minimal spare clothes, only the water you absolutely need, books with covers removed, no food or drink in glass containers... ;)
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Angus is correct, you have a way to go - you have a motor bike and a bicycle!

I'm not a bike person and assumed the 'honda' was a gen set - a motor bike and worrying about saving weight are contradictions. A tablet and computer, one is redundant (and will need extra charge facilities)

You need to think in terms of 1950s camping - and carrying this stuff.

We save weight where we can, anchor chain, but we still use bone china and lead crystal glasses (as I've said we are not camping, its the 21st century) and we have 2 hot (navy) showers a day. Wine is in boxes (or a decanter), alcohol in plastic bottles. A lot of our weight is for 'comfort' and if we sacrificed comfort we could save lots.

I'd suggest go back and have another look at your list, whittle it down and then show us again. I don't recall if you have scuba gear :)


But going back to basics - why are you looking at a cat, have you sailed either of these models. Secondly, going back to my question (and a point Geem made - why not a monohull - which will be more forgiving of weight (and will be cheaper to buy)

We had sailed monohulls but Josephine wanted to be able to work in the galley or look out of a berth window, have dinner in the saloon and see the scenery (simplistic I know but it gives an idea) she also preferred the idea of sailing and cooking flat, or flattish. We chartered to see how we liked it and then drove all the way up Australia's east coast looking at every cat for sale - its a long coast! I too like to stand in the galley, stir the porridge and look out of the window (iPad showing the radar image alongside the stove) - so I see advantages to sailing a cat.

Jonathan
 
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Neeves said:
Angus is correct, you have a way to go - you have a motor bike and a bicycle!

I'm not a bike person and assumed the 'honda' was a gen set - a motor bike and worrying about saving weight are contradictions. A tablet and computer, one is redundant (and will need extra charge facilities)

You need to think in terms of 1950s camping - and carrying this stuff.

We save weight where we can, anchor chain, but we still use bone china and lead crystal glasses (as I've said we are not camping, its the 21st century) and we have 2 hot (navy) showers a day. Wine is in boxes (or a decanter), alcohol in plastic bottles. A lot of our weight is for 'comfort' and if we sacrificed comfort we could save lots.

I'd suggest go back and have another look at your list, whittle it down and then show us again. I don't recall if you have scuba gear :)


But going back to basics - why are you looking at a cat, have you sailed either of these models. Secondly, going back to my question (and a point Geem made - why not a monohull - which will be more forgiving of weight (and will be cheaper to buy)

We had sailed monohulls but Josephine wanted to be able to work in the galley or look out of a berth window, have dinner in the saloon and see the scenery (simplistic I know but it gives an idea) she also preferred the idea of sailing and cooking flat, or flattish. We chartered to see how we liked it and then drove all the way up Australia's east coast looking at every cat for sale - its a long coast! I too like to stand in the galley, stir the porridge and look out of the window (iPad showing the radar image alongside the stove) - so I see advantages to sailing a cat.

Jonathan
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No, I haven't sailed with one, but they are closer to my budget. A cat because I don't think I would handle the rolling and tilted lifestyle. Sounds like you think this is too much weight, but it's not too different from what it seems like you are carrying on the Prout or PDQ above.

But, hopefully, I can get you guys to directly comment on whether 2100 lbs is going to weigh the PDQ or Prout down, and make it sail poorly?

Thanks.
 
river251 said:
No, I haven't sailed with one, but they are closer to my budget. A cat because I don't think I would handle the rolling and tilted lifestyle. Sounds like you think this is too much weight, but it's not too different from what it seems like you are carrying on the Prout or PDQ above.

But, hopefully, I can get you guys to directly comment on whether 2100 lbs is going to weigh the PDQ or Prout down, and make it sail poorly?

Thanks.
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DO NOT get the idea that cats sail flat - they sail flattish, but when the swells are big they are certainly not flat. When a big sea hits the underside of the bridge deck - you know it. I know of a Prout, more recent than the one you are looking at, that when crossing from HK to the Phillipines lost, well it came adrift, their saloon table because of the bridgedeck knocking.

Ours is a slightly different cat, we have much more beam and better bridge deck clearance than either the PDQ or Prout and a little bit of extra length. We are not crossing an ocean and have reached that ago of maturity when sailing at an average of 10 knots is enough.

Of course an extra ton will weight you down an extra ton will weigh many boats down. its a case of could you shave off a bit more (knowing that when push comes to shove you will probably carry more anyway) and if you want to carry everything - are you happy to sacrifice some performance (which is what we decided). As Geem has mentioned - he used laminate sails - are you willing to do the same (we use a laminate screacher but everything else is Dacron).

Basically we are asking the hard questions - its your decision what you do. I know we don't need a bread maker nor a small washing machine - you can do both tasks by hand and use gas to bake the bread. We could carry, much, less water and less fuel - but the showers are a pleasure and the fuel is quite useful (saves sailing at 2 knots).

Jonathan
 
OMG! A motorbike! Where the hell are you going to put that? A set of weights. I give in. You clearly have no idea what it means to sail light. You would be better with a canal barge
 
:)Well, I'm feeling a bit like the village idiot. But you are right, I have no clue about this, which is why I'm asking.

OK, I trimmed the weight by 595 pounds, down to 1505 pounds, including full water and gas tanks.

At 1500 pounds, including water and fuel, now would you guys say I am light yet?

If not I'm confused, because it seems like your Prout and PDQ are carrying this much weight??

Thanks, this is a big question. I dropped the weights, Honda, workstation, one monitor, lighter tender, 1 guitar.

Jim
 
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