Visas?

[prv]

Given that at present British yachts float between different Schengen States, who have no internal borders, and visas are issued by individual countries (not the EU), this could make for an interesting bean counting exercise.

Surely it's exactly the same situation as currently applies to Americans and other aliens? American sailing bloggers refer to having a 90 day "Schengen visa" - though I've no idea if it's actually a centralised thing or they just mean a visa issued by an individual country in Schengen - so somebody is managing to keep track across the bloc.

Pete

 

[nortada]

Speak of the devil. Latest news:
"With the Brexit negotiations at their most intense, and Downing Street pushing to make make decisive progress within the next 24 hours to secure a November summit, the commission made public its emergency preparations.

They range from residency and visa-related issues to financial services, air transport, customs, the transfer of personal data, and climate policy.

Among the contingency plans [in the event of a no-deal Brexit], is a proposal to allow British nationals to enjoy visa-free visits for up to 90 days within a 180-day period, but only if the UK government offers the same terms to EU nationals."

Surely it's exactly the same situation as currently applies to Americans and other aliens? American sailing bloggers refer to having a 90 day "Schengen visa" - though I've no idea if it's actually a centralised thing or they just mean a visa issued by an individual country in Schengen - so somebody is managing to keep track across the bloc.

Pete

Aliens in the EU have visas.

As I understand it that is propesed that Brits post Brexit will be able to spend upto 80 days in any 180 in the EU WITHOUT a visa?

Additionally, I am not convinced that anybody is keeping track. Rather, it could become an issue when attempting to leave the EU and it could become an issue - LEAVE AND NEVER COME BACK.:encouragement:

 

[prv]

Aliens in the EU have visas.

As I understand it poropsal is that Brits post Brexit will be able to spend upto 80 days in any 180 in the EU WITHOUT a visa?

D'oh. Good point

Maybe they can use some of the same bookkeeping apparatus though, if needed.

Pete

 

[nortada]

D'oh. Good point

Maybe they can use some of the same bookkeeping apparatus though, if needed.

Pete

Maybe but I have doubts that this will ever work in southern Europe, when much of the economy is supported by Brits in various guises.

 

[DownWest]

Maybe but I have doubts that this will ever work in southern Europe, when much of the economy is supported by Brits in various guises.

And that is the nub. Why go out of your way to kick people who keep your local economy on its feet? In France the Dordogne is supported by Brits (and RyanAir) Brittany seems to be half English speaking. And the Algarve would still be a poor vegetable supplier to the north if the (mostley) British tourists had not seen it as as an interesting alternative to Spain.

 

[macd]

Surely it's exactly the same situation as currently applies to Americans and other aliens? American sailing bloggers refer to having a 90 day "Schengen visa" - though I've no idea if it's actually a centralised thing or they just mean a visa issued by an individual country in Schengen - so somebody is managing to keep track across the bloc.

Pete, I fear you haven't been keeping up. Muricans (and citizens of over one third of other countries on the planet) don't need a visa to enter Schengen and remain there for up to 90 days.

Aliens in the EU have visas.

Many, perhaps most of them, don't. See above.

 

[Graham376]

Be careful how you spec them. Should there be no deal, Watts will no longer be accepted in the EU.

And of course we have to use horas de amp

 

[Joker]

But what about those of us who want to spend more than 90 days?

 

[BigJoe]

But what about those of us who want to spend more than 90 days?

Not sure how they will be able to track how long you have spent if your moving about

 

[macd]

But what about those of us who want to spend more than 90 days?

You'd need to apply for a long-stay visa. Welcome to the world of third country nationals.
This is how you apply: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/how-to-apply-schengen-visa/
This is guidance from practical experience (lots more similar pages on-line): https://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/how-to-legally-stay-in-europe-for-more-than-90-days/

Not sure how they will be able to track how long you have spent if your moving about

Efforts to pin this down seem to vary considerably from country to country (see the nomadicmatt link above), and are perhaps loosest in southern Europe. Boaters are perhaps a special case: often not scrutinised routinely, but perhaps more subject to spot checks than more conventional travellers. Equally, most residence-dodgers don't wander about wearing a large flag saying "check me". It should also be born in mind that the penalties for overstaying can be unpleasant. And would you really want to be an illegal immigrant?

 

[Graham376]

Not sure how they will be able to track how long you have spent if your moving about

If the same system as before Common Market, passports will be stamped on entrance and exit to/from EU so easy for normal tourists. For boaters, maybe we will have to enter another territory (with or without boat) such as, in our case Gibraltar or Morocco and get an entrance stamp, which is what non EU citizens have to do at the moment.

 

[BigJoe]

You'd need to apply for a long-stay visa. Welcome to the world of third country nationals.
This is how you apply: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/how-to-apply-schengen-visa/
This is guidance from practical experience (lots more similar pages on-line): https://www.nomadicmatt.com/travel-blogs/how-to-legally-stay-in-europe-for-more-than-90-days/



Efforts to pin this down seem to vary considerably from country to country (see the nomadicmatt link above), and are perhaps loosest in southern Europe. Boaters are perhaps a special case: often not scrutinised routinely, but perhaps more subject to spot checks than more conventional travellers. Equally, most residence-dodgers don't wander about wearing a large flag saying "check me". It should also be born in mind that the penalties for overstaying can be unpleasant. And would you really want to be an illegal immigrant?

What .................................... like a blue or red ensign

 

[macd]

What .................................... like a blue or red ensign

What else?
(Whether your boat wears one or not is immaterial: most UK residents' boats do.)

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Unfortunately, there are people who are deluded to think that us Brits keep the Southern European countries afloat with tourism and our presence with our yachts. Tourism brings a lot of revenue in the UK a lot of which comes from the Europeans; it works both ways.

 

[DownWest]

Unfortunately, there are people who are deluded to think that us Brits keep the Southern European countries afloat with tourism and our presence with our yachts. Tourism brings a lot of revenue in the UK a lot of which comes from the Europeans; it works both ways.

Yes, but the attraction of better weather in Spain and France tends to mean that Brits going there might be a much bigger influence on the local economy that people who visit UK.
The Dordogne is well supported by Uk visters, as is the Algarve.