Vinyl Headlining (not fabric backed) Gluing?

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I cut plywood, bought headlining and spray-on Evo-Stik impact adhesive, then waited a year for the rain to stop long enough to glue it on.

I sprayed (took a whole large can for 2m x 1.4m!) the plywood and back of the headlining material (note it is smooth, plasticy backed, not fabric backed like some) and waited the correct time for it to go tacky, then pressed it together.

Waited some time then installed the board in the boat. Woohoo! Nice ceiling for the first time in a year!

Then it started to droop here and there. Gutted!

It did start raining JUST after I pressed it all together and I was working outside and it was cold. Perhaps the damp made it less effective than it should be. But I read someone else's similar experiences with EvoStik somewhere on this forum.

I have now finally bought the board and vinyl home where I can do this in the dry, but what glue should I use. I want this to definitely work and continue to work. Hang the expense of this, I'll use Sikaflex if you think that's my best bet! But it needs to work, and stay working otherwise I will literally explode!

TY!
 
I have not used the type of vinyl you describe but for foam backed and cloth backed vinyl I have used Thixofix and Evostik Timebond. Aerosols are a very expensive and ineffective way to use contact adhesives, I always use the stuff you spread on both surfaces.
 
Admittedly not for reglueing the drooped vinyl headlining on my Westerly, but I used carpet spray glue (seemed very much like Evo stik and certainly smelt like it) for attaching a foam backed corded carpet (really really cheap stuff) to the quarter berths sides and boarded headlining. It really has stuck so very well. So try a carpet shop for your next experiment!!
 
saltylegs said:
+ 1 for Timebond I used it 2 years ago on ply and non foam backed vinyl.
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From the Timebond data sheet:

LIMITATIONS
• Evo-Stik Timebond is intended for interior
use, but can be used in exterior locations
protected from the weather, such as for
laminates bonded to shop fronts.
• It is unsuitable for use with sensitive surfaces
such as expanded polystyrene, cellulose
painted surfaces, bituminous surfaces.
• Do not use Evo-Stik Timebond with vinyl or
plasticised PVC as it will soften in time.
• It will not bond well to polyolefins such as
polyethylene, polypropylene or teflon.​

It will be essential to use an adhesive specifically for vinyl. I am thinking something like the Bostik adhesive that is use for PVC inflatable boats

The suppliers of the vinyl should be able to advise
 
Ah pants. Just saw your post Vic. Already purchased Timebond.

The headlining I'm using is two surfaces, with sponge between. Perhaps the softening of the inner surface is not so important. I don't care so long as it remains stuck to the plywood!
 
CaptainBob said:
Ah pants. Just saw your post Vic. Already purchased Timebond.

The headlining I'm using is two surfaces, with sponge between. Perhaps the softening of the inner surface is not so important. I don't care so long as it remains stuck to the plywood!
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I read it as meaning that the plasticiser in the vinyl will soften the Timebond
 
There is another option; just use varnished plywood for the headlining ! Works for me, and visitors comment how nice and cosy it looks and feels.

That's in the saloon; in the heads and forepeak with lower headroom I fitted Draylon type soft fabric, fixed with Bostik contact adhesive which is the real deal, strong enough to do the job without bother; I'd never trust something like Evo-Stick, and it smells of fish !

If using Bostik ( or probably any other adhesive ) be very careful about the fumes and ventilation; it's not for nothing that when glue-sniffing first became a phenomenon, 'Punch' magazine had a front cover with a take-off of the ' Bisto Kids ', noses in the air, " Ahhh, Bostik ! "
 
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A Google search for vinyl cement came up with something called HH66. Dunno if available in UK but there must be something. I'd be very surprised if there is not something in Bostik's range
 
VicS said:
A Google search for vinyl cement came up with something called HH66. Dunno if available in UK but there must be something. I'd be very surprised if there is not something in Bostik's range
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Should be :) gogled for PVA UK, from curiosity. But only water based come out... Some of such may be 'weatherproof' but never really waterproof. Nevertheless may be enough for interior paneling.
http://www.diy.com/search/pva glue
http://www.wickes.co.uk/good-idea-leaflets/adhesives/pcat/210cdhesiveschecklist/
http://www.discount-tools-uk.co.uk/category/18004/?p=4
 
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Rossynant said:
Should be :) gogled for PVA UK, from curiosity. But only water based come out... Some of such may be 'weatherproof' but never really waterproof. Nevertheless may be enough for interior paneling.
http://www.diy.com/search/pva glue
http://www.wickes.co.uk/good-idea-leaflets/adhesives/pcat/210cdhesiveschecklist/
http://www.discount-tools-uk.co.uk/category/18004/?p=4
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I'd not expect PVA to be any good for plain vinyl. It'll probably be OK for fabric backed vinyl and I know is is OK for foam backed vinyl.

You need something with a solvent that will slightly attack the vinyl.
 
Yup. Solvent.
I use PVA alcohol based, very handy stuff, and works on vinyl. That's why I mentioned it. At my parents vinyl kind covering on wood panels still hangs on, will be some 40 years. After all its Poly-vinyl-acetate ;)

Somebody before mentioned this Evo-stick, so I looked what that is. But personally I would not trust water-based glues. Then, who knows?
 
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UncleAlbert said:
Admittedly not for reglueing the drooped vinyl headlining on my Westerly, but I used carpet spray glue (seemed very much like Evo stik and certainly smelt like it) for attaching a foam backed corded carpet (really really cheap stuff) to the quarter berths sides and boarded headlining. It really has stuck so very well. So try a carpet shop for your next experiment!!
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Both Screwfix and Toolstation sell low cost aerosol adhesives of the carpet glue type.
The secret is to spray both the panel and the headlining, let it dry and then bring the two pieces together, if one surface is very adsorbent then two coats can be used.
I have used this stuff for fixing drooping headlining and it works for me ok.
 
Hawke House (.co.uk), who specialise in headlings etc. and sell various adhesives for the job, advise -

"Foam backed vinyls only: apply SAF111 to fibreglass and spray Trade Tack on the foam.
On ply you only need to use WA40 on the board.

Unfoamed vinyls: Apply SAF111 to fibreglass or ply and rear of fabric."
 
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