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So I got an update from the engineer earlier. They pulled the port shaft and ran it between centres and there was a 0.020" bend in the middle. Having straightened it and refitted it, the alignment was wrong on the coupling so ignoring the instructions on the coupling, they removed the coupling and did the alignment flange to flange.

This showed the gearbox was still low, so the mounts were adjusted to line everything up and the coupling refitted. This time everything came up true. The real proof comes tomorrow when they run the thing up and see if the vibration has gone, but for now here's the thoughts:

We probably struck some floating debris (the bend was midway between the P bracket and stern gland) and bent the shaft by 20 thou. That was enough to cause vibration, but not enough for it to be noticeable. The vibration shook one of the rear engine mount nuts loose and that allowed the back of the engine to sag enough for the heads of the coupling bolts to start striking the flange. At that stage, the vibration was clearly noticeable, so we had her lifted.

The 'obvious' cause was a loose engine mount, so that was rectified and everything realigned. Unfortunately, it only aligned correctly because there was too much play in the coupling itself as it had been damaged by the vibration. Two hours running later and the coupling failed:
2010-08-12131012.jpg

A new coupling was fitted, but to a bent shaft, and the new coupling did not have the give that the damaged one had, so once everything was tightened up the bent shaft now started to shake the back end of the engine round, at which point we again had her lifted.

Fingers crossed, but that's the last of it. The engineers agree that the only logical cause was underwater damage, but slight enough not to have been felt immediately. Interestingly, the day that it happened, as we were limping into Lymington, Solent CG was broadcasting a warning about floating debris off Portsmouth, so we could have struck something up towards Southampton and it took another hour's running to work the engine mount loose. We will probably never know, of course...
 
Hi

I have been following your vibration postings with great interest and although I feel for you with the boat going in and out of the water (not to mention the cost!!) I must congratulate you for keeping us (the forum) up to date with everything.

I would never have though that 20 thou would cause so much problem. Interesting photo of the coupling.

I just hope this is the end of your 'problem'
 
Pleased you have found it and lets hope thats your share of trouble ended for years to come.

That flexible coupling really has flexed well out of shape, not at all what I would have expected.

Trust your Insurers will cough up now :)
 
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Like others, have been following your story (we have twin shafts too) and some interesting conclusions - thanks for the write ups.

What is the tollerance on a shaft then +-2-3thou? Just curious.
 
So I got an update from the engineer earlier. They pulled the port shaft and ran it between centres and there was a 0.020" bend in the middle. Having straightened it and refitted it, the alignment was wrong on the coupling so ignoring the instructions on the coupling, they removed the coupling and did the alignment flange to flange.

This showed the gearbox was still low, so the mounts were adjusted to line everything up and the coupling refitted. This time everything came up true. The real proof comes tomorrow when they run the thing up and see if the vibration has gone, but for now here's the thoughts:

We probably struck some floating debris (the bend was midway between the P bracket and stern gland) and bent the shaft by 20 thou. That was enough to cause vibration, but not enough for it to be noticeable. The vibration shook one of the rear engine mount nuts loose and that allowed the back of the engine to sag enough for the heads of the coupling bolts to start striking the flange. At that stage, the vibration was clearly noticeable, so we had her lifted.

The 'obvious' cause was a loose engine mount, so that was rectified and everything realigned. Unfortunately, it only aligned correctly because there was too much play in the coupling itself as it had been damaged by the vibration. Two hours running later and the coupling failed:
2010-08-12131012.jpg

A new coupling was fitted, but to a bent shaft, and the new coupling did not have the give that the damaged one had, so once everything was tightened up the bent shaft now started to shake the back end of the engine round, at which point we again had her lifted.

Fingers crossed, but that's the last of it. The engineers agree that the only logical cause was underwater damage, but slight enough not to have been felt immediately. Interestingly, the day that it happened, as we were limping into Lymington, Solent CG was broadcasting a warning about floating debris off Portsmouth, so we could have struck something up towards Southampton and it took another hour's running to work the engine mount loose. We will probably never know, of course...

May all your vibration from now on be only good ones. ;)
 
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Wiggo, glad to hear your problem is getting sorted out. You may remember I made a post about a similar problem I was having after encountering a broken coupling/sheared oil pump from gearbox housing (see attached photos). After initial repairs, I still had slight vibration from this side, boat was lifted and shaft taken out to be straightened. Boat was put back in water yesterday and everything seems ok.

I've attached a couple of images of the initial damage which happened suddenly without notice. I only was aware of the vibration after the first repair when running each drive in slightly higher revs than I would normally do. Maybe without doing this I would have had the same broken coupling problem again?

It seems I inherited an existing problem with this boat, the bent shaft causing the first damage. After all this, I'm left wondering, after having a survey on this boat initially, if it had a slightly bent shaft, why was this not picked up by the surveyor on the sea trial?
 
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Any run out on a marine shaft is accentuated in use as you have thrust pushing on the end, so the run out will increase as you open the throttle, add to this the fact that most boats still run rubber bearings and a slightly out of true shaft will be all over the place when pushing the boat along. Even putting in thrust bearings doesn't remove this shaft whip and wobble which can be felt and heard through the P brackets and stern tube.

I've never measured this myself but have it on good authority that a stainless shaft left sitting ashore for a year or so will develop a permanent sag, this depends on bearing support and unsupported length of course.

I wouldn't expect a surveyor to pick up a shaft bent vibration, as there too many other sources of noise and vibration linked to engine revs. With vibration you just have to run through the whole system piece by piece.

Shaft straight, bearing carriers in alignment, bearings within tolerance, stern gland condition, coupling condition, engine alignment, engine mount condition and even that all cylinders are running correctly!
One recent vibration issue came down to a 12 cylinder engine dropping a couple of cylinders at certain revs which was only picked up by diagnostics on a laptop with the engine running.
 
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