VHF Power Supply - switchboard or independent?

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In another currently active thread there’s been a brief but illuminating discussion over whether the power supply for a vessel’s radio communications equipment should be collected from the switchboard busbar and / or battery isolator feed, or alternatively run directly from the battery via the radio’s own dedicated supply cable and fuse.

It’s a contentious issue and opinions tend to be polarised and robustly defended. Moreover, the disagreement is on a global scale, because whilst the UK’s maritime regulating agencies are non-specific about the method used on most privately operated vessels, the relevant legislation of other nations insists that the power for a marine VHF radio installation must be routed via an independent power supply cable and circuit protection device, with the radio’s dedicated power supply cable running direct to the battery.

So if you’ll be patient and bear with me for a minute or so, I’ll explain the philosophy which I support - it’s the one which is widely regarded as good practice when the issue is viewed objectively from the perspective of vessel and crew safety. More specifically, I’ll do it by attempting to illustrate just one compelling reason for not taking a VHF's power supply from the vessel’s general services switchboard.

So here’s a scenario to consider - and unfortunately it’s not without precedent...

You’re sailing happily along fifty miles offshore with the ocean all to yourself when your nostrils are assailed by an acrid burning smell. Following your nose you discover smoke and flames issuing from the vicinity of the services switchboard. The cause of the problem is almost certainly an electrical fault - and the offending wiring is behind the switchboard, which has been beautifully installed in the nav station panelling.

It shouldn’t take long to grab a fire extinguisher, gain access to the seat of the conflagration and start fighting your fire. But before you get this far you’ve very probably made a dive for the battery isolator switch and shut down power to the now melting switchboard.

On ripping open the switchboard fascia you’re confronted by tongues of flame, charred wiring, and melting plastic. The fire is rapidly expanding and consuming anything flammable in its path. Your extinguisher keeps you busy for a minute but the fire is tenacious and spreading fast into inaccessible territory.

You’re going to need outside assistance but summoning help presents you with a dilemma...

You can’t use your VHF because you’ve sensibly turned off your battery power at the isolator switch. And now it gets worse. Needs must, so you turn on the power again - only to discover that the VHF still won’t work because, among the red hot smouldering mess behind the distribution switchboard, your VHF’s fire ravaged power cable has gone open circuit.

Remember, if you will, that you’re a long way offshore on a now blazing vessel, your VHF is out of commission and there’s no other vessel within visual range.

It’s a bit late to be wise in hindsight now, but at about this point you might start wishing that your VHF had its own power supply and fuse, connected directly to the battery bank - and thus entirely independent of anything to do with the battery isolator switch or switchboard...

To reiterate, so far as I am aware there is currently no legal requirement in the UK for a privately owned pleasure vessel to have an independent power supply circuit for its VHF (or an emergency back-up battery supply either). In the interests of safety, however, and regardless of a lack of definitive legislation on the point, it is generally considered good practice to do so.

Other nations’ maritime regulations differ. Some address this specific point and insist that the ship’s radio equipment power supply must be an independent, stand alone installation. Here in the UK, where we rightly and robustly resist anything that smells of over-regulation, the method of routing power to a marine VHF set is - at present - left to the owner, who is expected to exercise discretion and common sense.

Food for thought?
 
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What ever the installation I will come up with a scenario that renders the VHF inoperable. So, what ever you do to maintain it, I will prevent its use.

What to do?

Simple, spare (hand held) VHF as you darned well should have anyway.

Sure, there is a line to be drawn as to the reliability of the fixed set and each country is at liberty to decide their own line. Theoretically you might be able to statistically determine such a line, but any change in technology will shift the balance.
 
'' You’re sailing happily along fifty miles offshore with the ocean all to yourself ''................no one to hear you
& probably outside VHF range :)
 
Ohh, and another thing.

If your VHF is fed from a (the) bus bar then there might also be isolators that can connect the bus bar to other batteries. Such a set up would, in the case of a dead battery, be more reliable than a VHF hard wired to one particular battery.
 
I'm sailing along, 50 miles offshore, when i smell burning. I nip down below and see smoke coming from the front of the VHF. I promptly turn off the isolator but the smoke continues ( i guess it must be some of the delicate electronics inside, because the fuse hasn't blown yet). Then i remember, the VHF is wired directly to the batteries. By the time i've unscrewed half of the screws the hold down the sole board that covers the batteries a small fire has started behind the panel that houses the VHF. Only a couple of screws left, but i better grab the fire extinguisher. Blimey, these powder extinguishers don't half make a mess. Damn, i wish i'd wired the VHF to the isolator.

I've tied my boat to my swinging mooring, switched the isolators off and gone home. I forgot to switch the VHF of and when i get back to the boat the batteries are flat. Damn, i wish i'd wired the VHF to the isolator.

I'm sailing along, 50 miles offshore when the plotter and all of the electronics go off. After investigating i discover one of the domestic batteries has failed and flatted the other two. I turn off the domestic isolator and turn on the "emergency" switch. I have two totally separate systems and the emergency switch would normally parallel the two banks, but i've had to turn off the domestics. No matter though, because all of the electronics are now running via the engine battery alone. Oh bugger, the VHF won't work. Damn, i wish i'd wired the VHF to the isolator.

I've tied my boat up in the marina, switched the isolators off and gone home. Some time in the early hours something in the VHF wiring starts a fire and my boat burns to the waterline. Damn, i wish i'd wired the VHF to the isolator.
 
'' You’re sailing happily along fifty miles offshore with the ocean all to yourself ''................no one to hear you
& probably outside VHF range"


"All to myself" indicates that no other vessel is visible.

Let's suppose that we're on a small yacht, and that on this occasion we have a visible horizon of 5 miles radius Let's also suppose that our vessel's VHF has a useful range of 20 mile radius.

Using pi we can calculate that the area of our visible circle will be 78.54 nautical miles, whilst the effective area covered by our VHF will be 1,256 nautical miles.

1,256 - 78.54 = 1,177.46 square nautical miles of sea which are not visible, but which the radio can reach.

So I think the bald assumption that we're "probably outside VHF range" is a tad unreasonable.

But if the radio is out of commission then we'll never know, will we?
 
In another currently active thread there’s been a brief but illuminating discussion over whether the power supply for a vessel’s radio communications equipment should be collected from the switchboard busbar and / or battery isolator feed, or alternatively run directly from the battery via the radio’s own dedicated supply cable and fuse.

It’s a contentious issue and opinions tend to be polarised and robustly defended. Moreover, the disagreement is on a global scale, because whilst the UK’s maritime regulating agencies are non-specific about the method used on most privately operated vessels, the relevant legislation of other nations insists that the power for a marine VHF radio installation must be routed via an independent power supply cable and circuit protection device, with the radio’s dedicated power supply cable running direct to the battery.

So if you’ll be patient and bear with me for a minute or so, I’ll explain the philosophy which I support - it’s the one which is widely regarded as good practice when the issue is viewed objectively from the perspective of vessel and crew safety. More specifically, I’ll do it by attempting to illustrate just one compelling reason for not taking a VHF's power supply from the vessel’s general services switchboard.

So here’s a scenario to consider - and unfortunately it’s not without precedent...

You’re sailing happily along fifty miles offshore with the ocean all to yourself when your nostrils are assailed by an acrid burning smell. Following your nose you discover smoke and flames issuing from the vicinity of the services switchboard. The cause of the problem is almost certainly an electrical fault - and the offending wiring is behind the switchboard, which has been beautifully installed in the nav station panelling.

It shouldn’t take long to grab a fire extinguisher, gain access to the seat of the conflagration and start fighting your fire. But before you get this far you’ve very probably made a dive for the battery isolator switch and shut down power to the now melting switchboard.

On ripping open the switchboard fascia you’re confronted by tongues of flame, charred wiring, and melting plastic. The fire is rapidly expanding and consuming anything flammable in its path. Your extinguisher keeps you busy for a minute but the fire is tenacious and spreading fast into inaccessible territory.

You’re going to need outside assistance but summoning help presents you with a dilemma...

You can’t use your VHF because you’ve sensibly turned off your battery power at the isolator switch. And now it gets worse. Needs must, so you turn on the power again - only to discover that the VHF still won’t work because, among the red hot smouldering mess behind the distribution switchboard, your VHF’s fire ravaged power cable has gone open circuit.

Remember, if you will, that you’re a long way offshore on a now blazing vessel, your VHF is out of commission and there’s no other vessel within visual range.

It’s a bit late to be wise in hindsight now, but at about this point you might start wishing that your VHF had its own power supply and fuse, connected directly to the battery bank - and thus entirely independent of anything to do with the battery isolator switch or switchboard...

To reiterate, so far as I am aware there is currently no legal requirement in the UK for a privately owned pleasure vessel to have an independent power supply circuit for its VHF (or an emergency back-up battery supply either). In the interests of safety, however, and regardless of a lack of definitive legislation on the point, it is generally considered good practice to do so.

Other nations’ maritime regulations differ. Some address this specific point and insist that the ship’s radio equipment power supply must be an independent, stand alone installation. Here in the UK, where we rightly and robustly resist anything that smells of over-regulation, the method of routing power to a marine VHF set is - at present - left to the owner, who is expected to exercise discretion and common sense.

Food for thought?


Well my first thought is some one must have replaced a fuse with a nail to cause that fire in the first place.

If your boat is correctly wired and circuits protected appropriately this scenario just will not /cannot happen full stop.

My day job revolves around making selling and designing low voltage control systems.

We have done this for over 40 years and never had a fire in any control panel caused by overheating of badly protected wiring!

For my own satisfaction. I have checked the production and any DIY owner fitted cabling on my own boat and am happy in the knowledge that it is well protected from short circuit.


However
I have given consideration to an alternative power source for the VHF. I have considered using a simple plug in 12v cell that would disconnect the boat battery feed and provide a short term back up in the more likely emergency situation of a flooded battery compartment.

My current alternative emergency VHF strategy is to use a patch cable to either the pushpit mounted VHF back up or the mast head main aerial and my portable VHF. This might extend my transmit and receive range to a useable distance offshore but not 50 miles off shore!

My next purchase will be a combined PLB / AIS unit as soon as they are available which will help give my wife and myself more security on longer offshore passages that I hope to do more of in the new year.
 

"I'm sailing along, 50 miles offshore, when i smell burning. I nip down below and see smoke coming from the front of the VHF. I promptly turn off the isolator but the smoke continues ( i guess it must be some of the delicate electronics inside, because the fuse hasn't blown yet). Then i remember, the VHF is wired directly to the batteries. By the time i've unscrewed half of the screws the hold down the sole board that covers the batteries a small fire has started behind the panel that houses the VHF. Only a couple of screws left, but i better grab the fire extinguisher. Blimey, these powder extinguishers don't half make a mess. Damn, i wish i'd wired the VHF to the isolator.

"I've tied my boat to my swinging mooring, switched the isolators off and gone home. I forgot to switch the VHF of and when i get back to the boat the batteries are flat. Damn, i wish i'd wired the VHF to the isolator.

"I'm sailing along, 50 miles offshore when the plotter and all of the electronics go off. After investigating i discover one of the domestic batteries has failed and flatted the other two. I turn off the domestic isolator and turn on the "emergency" switch. I have two totally separate systems and the emergency switch would normally parallel the two banks, but i've had to turn off the domestics. No matter though, because all of the electronics are now running via the engine battery alone. Oh bugger, the VHF won't work. Damn, i wish i'd wired the VHF to the isolator.

"I've tied my boat up in the marina, switched the isolators off and gone home. Some time in the early hours something in the VHF wiring starts a fire and my boat burns to the waterline. Damn, i wish i'd wired the VHF to the isolator."


Good effort!

As I said in the second paragraph of my original offering: it’s a contentious issue and opinions tend to be polarised and robustly defended!

No reason why your VHF should suddenly go up in flames after you've gone home. A dedicated supply will still have circuit protection. Use a circuit breaker if you like, and simply flip it to "off" before you go home. Same applies if it bursts into flames when you're on board.

If you forget to do that then you're quite likely to forget to perform other critical actions too. Boats aren't idiot proof and neither are they immune from the consequences of temporary amnesia - which of course is why the wise mariner habitually uses check lists.

Regarding the rest of your analogies, they're interesting and entertaining but to have useful weight here they'd need to be supported by statistical probabilities.
 
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"If your boat is correctly wired and circuits protected appropriately this scenario just will not /cannot happen full stop."

Spot on!

You are absolutely right.

And I've lost count of the number of marine wiring installations I've encountered over the years that were neither correctly wired nor appropriately protected!
 
Coded boats that I've been on have all seemed to have a separate smaller battery for the VHF charged via a cable to the main panel. The smaller battery being up by the set typically where you could still use it waist-deep.
 
And I've lost count of the number of marine wiring installations I've encountered over the years that were neither correctly wired nor appropriately protected!

...for example, by stringing some relatively flimsy wiring through all sorts of narrow and abrasive spaces and then bolting it directly to the battery terminals because the non-technical buyer had read somewhere that that was a good idea.

Of course it should have had an appropriately-sized fuse near the battery and then the risk is limited, but we've already established that we're in the realms of improper installation here.

Had our numpty not come across this advice, though, he'd probably have wired the radio to a spare protected circuit in the panel right next to it, and been fine.

Anyway, if the radio is so vital as to distrust the distribution board, why not apply the same logic to the bilge pump? Or the GPS, so that you are able to give your position when calling in that mayday? In some places a depth sounder is vital equipment, and realistically some people are very dependent on a plotter. Losing radar in thick fog wouldn't be much fun, and if you're single-handed in a lightweight boat the autopilot is necessary to free your hands to deal with the emergency.

If you follow this way of thinking, before long the only "non-essential" equipment powered from the distribution board is going to be the fridge and your mobile phone charger. Personally, I reckon the answer is to build and maintain the ****ing distribution board properly so that it doesn't burst into flames in the first place.

Pete
 
I have my vhf & music radio linked to the fuse panel with switch marked radio. It makes no sense too me wiring direct to battery? Their is a direct feed from the house battery switch to the fuse panel anyways so makes little difference in connections than if it is wired directly? I have seperate batteries for engine and house and don't use on of those combining switches either. However i do have a 3rd battery switch that can combine them in an emergency. This was a suggestion from someone on here just in case. Never had issues so far though but you never know. I have a vsr that will charge both batteries with engine running though and each has it's own solar feed too.
 
I've been pondering this point. The I thought about the location of my fixed VHF set. Any fire involving any of the wiring will take out the set pretty promptly because it's mounted in the wiring bay. It's power supply and the antenna both route through the bay. I cannot see any reasonable way or re-routing the wires, nor can I see a safer location for it. In addition, any fire which took out the electronics would also take out the chart plotter and hence the GPS position for the DSC. what to do? Revert to plan A: use the PLB to summon shorebased help, set off a parachute flare and use the handheld VHF to seek local asssitance.

Hard wiring the VHF is a red herring, distracting attention from making sure that the chances of any electrical fires are minismised by careful maintenance and proper wiring in the first instance.
 
If your boat is correctly wired and circuits protected appropriately this scenario just will not /cannot happen full stop.
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Not true.
Due to a manufacturing fault a low amp cable breaks, the free end a wire that is connected to the -ve bus falls onto the +ve bus. Since the cable is thin (appropriate for the intended circuit and protection) it does not manage to blow the main fuse for the panel, instead it catches fire right in the middle of the 12V distribution.
And before you say it cant happen, guess what? I have twice seen cables with faults in the (untouched since manufacture) middle. One was a clean break in the middle of an undisturbed and properly restrained wiring loom, the other was a real doozy, bloody core changed colour part way through 40 pair multi.
 
"...for example, by stringing some relatively flimsy wiring through all sorts of narrow and abrasive spaces and then bolting it directly to the battery terminals because the non-technical buyer had read somewhere that that was a good idea."

I don't recall anyone saying that stringing flimsy wiring through all sorts of narrow and abrasive spaces is a good idea. On the other hand, such things do occur, simply because people don't know what they're doing and mistakenly think that, because it's only a 12 volt circuit, it can't do much harm! When of course, nothing can be further from the truth because low voltage circuits are often carrying high currents, making them potentially highly destructive.

"Had our numpty not come across this advice, though, he'd probably have wired the radio to a spare protected circuit in the panel right next to it, and been fine.!"

Yes indeed. He might well have been fine. So long as your numpty makes a better job of that than he did with the wiring effort you mentioned earlier.


"Personally, I reckon the answer is to build and maintain the ****ing distribution board properly so that it doesn't burst into flames in the first place."


I absolutely concur with your stance on this. That is to say, wouldn't it be nice to have ***ing perfect electrical installations and live in a ***ing perfect world?
 
If you follow this way of thinking, before long the only "non-essential" equipment powered from the distribution board is going to be the fridge and your mobile phone charger. Personally, I reckon the answer is to build and maintain the ****ing distribution board properly so that it doesn't burst into flames in the first place.

What 'e said.

Also ... EPIRB.
 
If you are sailing offshore at 50 mile neither a VHF fixed or handheld has the range to contact the coastguard. For long distance sailing we carried SSB, VHF, Inmarsat C, satphone and EPIRB. The satphone is what you need out of VHF range because it is not wired to anything and emergency calls are free so you don't have to spend money on calls cards, just keep the battery topped up which we did. A satphone call is immediate (as is Sat C) and and an EPIRB can take an hour to pick up satellites.
 
Coded boats that I've been on have all seemed to have a separate smaller battery for the VHF charged via a cable to the main panel. The smaller battery being up by the set typically where you could still use it waist-deep.

This is, in my 'umble, a far better idea than wiring the VHF direct to the main batteries via a fuse (and properly it's own dedicated isolator)

A far more likely scenario than a fault / fire at the breaker / fuse panel that takes out the supply but leaves the VHF set usable is failure of the primary batteries due to flooding. A small AGM or Gel battery high up maintained by a DC to DC charger and a double pole changeover switch to select normal or emergency power covers all the bases that can realistically be covered
 
No reason why your VHF should suddenly go up in flames after you've gone home.

No reason why my control panel should go up in smoke either.


A dedicated supply will still have circuit protection.

As does my current arrangement.

Use a circuit breaker if you like, and simply flip it to "off" before you go home. Same applies if it bursts into flames when you're on board.

Rather than fit extra equipment, why not leave it on the isolator where it is ? What if the trip fails and leaves me with no VHF ?

Regarding the rest of your analogies, they're interesting and entertaining but to have useful weight here they'd need to be supported by statistical probabilities.

Not at all uncommon for a battery to fail. I once had a domestic battery fail and had to make a 100 nm trip on the engine battery alone.

My current setup has two separate circuits, one for the engine, one for the domestics. Each has it's own isolator. Each switch has it's own breaker at the panel. Some switches/breakers are controlling low loads or supplying equipment in the battery locker, there are two separate blade fuse holders in the battery locker with fuses down to 2 amps. The black box VHF is in here, amongst other things. The battery box is above the cabin sole. If there is a fire anywhere below decks i can call for help from the cockpit handset (handheld being kept in reserve). I have a backup VHF antenna at the masthead and another at the pushpit.

It's hard to see how i wold benefit from wiring the VHF to the battery directly, but i did appreciate the spirit of your post and my replies were for a general installation and not my own, far superior setup :) :)
 
A far more likely scenario than a fault / fire at the breaker / fuse panel that takes out the supply but leaves the VHF set usable is failure of the primary batteries due to flooding.

I reckon i'll be long abandoned when the batteries flood, the water needs to be at least a foot deep in the saloon for that to happen :ambivalence:
 
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