VHF 16 Radio Checks

I find all this superior attitude to radio checks quite amusing. In my neck of the woods, the most common requests for radio checks, are between the two adjoining CG stations. To those who switch their sets off to save them from annoyance, just think that if you had been listening, you just might have been able to help someone. Is that idea so foreign to you?:rolleyes:
 
Well, enough to sustain a thriving flotilla business all around the world. Experienced sailors do go on flotillas for the social aspect, but the majority are relatively new and some have never set foot on a yacht before. As a teenager our family holiday every year was a Sunsail flotilla, and there were always several boats who were complete beginners, with Dad having done a three-morning course at the Beach Club (like a casual hotel with dinghies) the week before.



I'm not so much talking about people chartering from Sunsail in the UK, but people who started their sailing at a Mediterranean Beach Club where you call the beach shack before taking out a "dayboat" (retired flotilla yacht stationed at the clubs for daysailing).



Only if they know to do that. But if they turn the radio on and hear someone calling Solent Coastguard on 16, and Solent giving a reply, why would they not follow suit?



If you believe that then you'd really spit your dummy on hearing the VHF traffic in flotilla areas :D.

It's often the kids delegated to work the radio while Mum and Dad are busy on deck, and they don't always realise that it isn't a telephone. We still joke about the two eight year olds we heard rambling on and on trying to work out where each other were, culminating with -

"Nimble Nimble Nimble this is Nimrod Nimrod Nimrod, can you see us now? We are signaling with our teapot lid!" :D

Pete

I understand and agree with all that, but I thought we were talking about the UK not flotillas which are a different scenario. The Lead Skipper prefers chit chat to total silence so he knows guests will talk to him when required.
 
I understand and agree with all that, but I thought we were talking about the UK not flotillas which are a different scenario.

I was talking about people who first sailed at a Beach Club or on a Flotilla, and then came back to the UK bringing their Sunsail habits with them.

Pete
 
Can "only" transmit on...? I understood that it authorised the use of additional channels but does it go on to prohibit the use of other public channels?

The license can be as specific as Ofgem want it to be, and the radio is only configured to suit the license. For a marina, they don't even have channel 16 on the dial, or any others come to that.
 
Can "only" transmit on...? I understood that it authorised the use of additional channels but does it go on to prohibit the use of other public channels?
They are only public channels for marine use - that doesn't include coastal stations.

Now if the station were floating that would be a different matter :)
 
They are only public channels for marine use - that doesn't include coastal stations.

Now if the station were floating that would be a different matter :)
So how does the coastguard get round that one? Surely it would be a waste of a facility to exclude the NCI (if they are) from communicating on ch16 in appropriate circumstances...
 
So how does the coastguard get round that one? Surely it would be a waste of a facility to exclude the NCI (if they are) from communicating on ch16 in appropriate circumstances...

Yes, NCI can communicate on any channel "in the appropriate circumstances." Feel free to contact them for a Radio, AIS or radar check directly on 65. Live weather, but not a forecast, is also available.
 
Surely you don't have to be licenced to transmit on 16?

You certainly do :)

You (I assume) and I have a Ship Station license, which allows us to use any of the normal marine VHF channels. But Coast Radio Station licenses are much more restrictive, and generally specify one channel or a small number of them.

I would have thought anyone with an operators licence is free to transmit...

If we're being pedantic, there's no such thing as an "operator's license".

You have (again, I assume :) ) an operator's certificate of competence, and one of the terms of your Ship Station License is that only people with such a certificate are allowed to use the equipment (or others under supervision). Not all coast station licenses include that term, and the certificate itself confers no particular rights on its own. The key to everything is the Station License, not the operator's ticket.

So how does the coastguard get round that one?

They have a license for the appropriate channels, obviously (which may be "all of them" for all I know).

Surely it would be a waste of a facility to exclude the NCI (if they are) from communicating on ch16 in appropriate circumstances...

They only got a license at all last year, but gave good service for a couple of decades before that. Generally they're in touch with the Coastguard by phone, and the Coastguard handle the comms for any incident. That's their job, after all.

Pete
 
You certainly do :)

You (I assume) and I have a Ship Station license, which allows us to use any of the normal marine VHF channels. But Coast Radio Station licenses are much more restrictive, and generally specify one channel or a small number of them.



If we're being pedantic, there's no such thing as an "operator's license".

You have (again, I assume :) ) an operator's certificate of competence, and one of the terms of your Ship Station License is that only people with such a certificate are allowed to use the equipment (or others under supervision). Not all coast station licenses include that term, and the certificate itself confers no particular rights on its own. The key to everything is the Station License, not the operator's ticket.



They have a license for the appropriate channels, obviously (which may be "all of them" for all I know).



They only got a license at all last year, but gave good service for a couple of decades before that. Generally they're in touch with the Coastguard by phone, and the Coastguard handle the comms for any incident. That's their job, after all.

Pete
No, you're misunderstanding or have forgotten what you said back in #39.

You said they are "only" licensed to transmit on 65 and I questioned whether they would need another "specific" (as opposed to general "operators") licence to transmit on public subscription channels which is what I took you to be saying. I would've thought a coast station licence is to allow use of additional channels not to restrict use of already available channels - I would hope all NCI watch keepers hold a personal VHF cert.

Yes the I know the coastguard use channels other than their "own" and I would fully expect the NCI to as well (weren't they using vhf in the decades before they got allocated 65?)
 
A little bit of Googling does wonders for one's knowledge. Like it turns up the NCI VHF training manual! A quick peruse and the points salient to this discussion that I picked out are ...

Prior to the allocation of Ch.65 some, but not all, NCI stations had a licence to operate on Ch.37

NCI has a stated aim to have all its stations licensed to transmit on Ch.0 (requires a specific additional licence over and above their Coastal Station Licence)

NCI has been authorised by Ofcom to award a Short Range VHF certificate so they can do their VHF training in-house

At least one watchkeeper on duty should hold an NCI or RYA short range VHF certificate (otherwise the radios can only be used to monitor, not to transmit)

It is not clearly stated but from the text and the absence of any statement to the contrary, I presume NCI stations are licensed to use 16 and the other working channels as appropriate
 
No, you're misunderstanding or have forgotten what you said back in #39.

You said they are "only" licensed to transmit on 65 and I questioned whether they would need another "specific" (as opposed to general "operators") licence to transmit on public subscription channels which is what I took you to be saying. I would've thought a coast station licence is to allow use of additional channels not to restrict use of already available channels - I would hope all NCI watch keepers hold a personal VHF cert.

Yes the I know the coastguard use channels other than their "own" and I would fully expect the NCI to as well (weren't they using vhf in the decades before they got allocated 65?)

An NCI watchkeeper's training includes the RYA vhf short range certificate if he doesn't already have one.
It is correct that our routine procedure is to communicate with HMCG by land line.
AS now, before the allocation of CH65 we did use vhf "as appropriate" and requested by HMCG, for example liasing with coast guard shore teams or a lifeboat during an ongoing incident. We train with both RNLI and HMCG, and the use of radio is directed by the coast guard. Their approach has rightly always been that in an emergency the safety of the casualty comes first and any radio procedure issues can be sorted later.
I hope that helps.
 
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An NCI watchkeeper's training includes the RYA vhf short range certificate if he doesn't already have one.
It is correct that our routine procedure is to communicate with HMCG by land line.
AS now, before the allocation of CH65 we did use vhf "as appropriate" and requested by HMCG, for example liasing with coast guard shore teams or a lifeboat during an ongoing incident. We train with both RNLI and HMCG, and the use of radio is directed by the coast guard. Their approach has rightly always been that in an emergency the safety of the casualty comes first and any radio procedure issues can be sorted later.
As I thought. All makes good sense - except to pedants perhaps...;)
 
NCI has a stated aim to have all its stations licensed to transmit on Ch.0 (requires a specific additional licence over and above their Coastal Station Licence)

Not quite - Ch0 can be added to the Ofcom base station license but it requires the consent of the MCA to do so. At present, NCI can use Ch0 but only when specifically authorised by HMCG for a defined incident. There is no other advantage to them having it.

It is not clearly stated but from the text and the absence of any statement to the contrary, I presume NCI stations are licensed to use 16 and the other working channels as appropriate

No - their base station licence gives them Ch65, and Ch0 with the above condition.
 
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