Very exited lying between these two young lady’s
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PowerYachtBlog
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Mmm... Really?
By the way both Sunseeker 116 and Princess 35m are a nice complement to Amer Yachts 100 launched in 2007.
At times it seems the Brits are a bit the Chinese in the industry of yachting.
Sanlorenzo have always been the conservative of yacht builders, made for people who have been boating and going into that style for long.
Unfortunately The SL78 and SL86 escape this formula. Some like them and others are a bit in between. I would still prefer an SL82 to the 86 for example.
The SL82 or 72 never get old.
They where not alone at some point, Canados (for the central and South Italian) , Alalunga (for the Ligurian), Falcon (usually a more international appeal to French and British), always had these type of customers. Sanlorenzo and Maiora was the one for the North Italian businessman, and when Janetti was at the helm he hardly ever made a single advertisement. Most of his clients came from referrals.
Look at a Sunseeker 80/84 Manhattan for example vintage 2000 and see how old and out of proportion it looks today.
Granted these where the first entry of Sunseeker into super yachting.
I think Sunseeker and Princess need to be compared to an Azimut or a Ferretti for style.
They give the modernity of the British builds without them loosing the shearline feeling like a drunken NY fellar.
Cause that is how I feel the Sunseeker wants to take me with it's supposed modern lines.
But hey taste is subjective so to each his own.
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Bouba
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I’ve said this before but....do you buy a superyacht for the inside or the outside?
PowerYachtBlog
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Depends how much Swmbo has a hold of the purse. I think most man will buy from the outside and go into technical features.
I had quite a few Italian customers who bought a boat and then told Swmbo they did it, when the season started
petem
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Honestly Mr B, there's a brand new* S/S 116 in our Marina and it's not a pretty thing - far too high and far too slab sided. And all those window angles are horrid.
Give me a SL any day.
* When I say "brand new", rumour has it that it was a speculative purchase from Sunseeker as they didn't have a buyer for it. It's been on the market ever since then - https://www.edmiston.com/yacht-brokerage/yachts/spectre-2 ("Owner receptive to all offers").
BartW
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Its the old swan from last year, soon to be disposed. They are talking abour a pink flamingo right now, but lets say I’ m not ready for that.
Yes that is indeed P’s old boat, with the CF officials onboard, inspecting and commenting the behaviour from foreihn tourists. ?
I never thought that I would anchor in Zaffarano, (exposed to open sea) but early last week there was a rare and strong SE wind, so perfect for anchoring and stay overnight, including early (6am) departure at sunrise ?, heading towards pane di Succero for a long watersports day in this nice spot. According one of my kids one of the nicest spots ever, for arriving during wakeup.
Especially the quiteness in such a beautifull spot is impressive.
Today our kids went home, always a sad day, waiting for new guests tomorrow !
Eren
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I generally like the SL style but if I would be paying such huge amounts for a boat, I would definetely demand one with larger hull windows. They are too small and old looking with the SLs.
MrB
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But they look modern Pete, the SL doesn't. I know people like that and that's cool, it's a matter of taste after all. Remove the HT's and the SL looks well dated, the others don't. The FL sq78 looks carp without a HT, JFM's looks stunning with the add-on. This is all my personal opinion. SS still do it for me on every level so that's maybe my taste standard.
:encouragement:
MrB
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Exactly, "Old looking". They need updating.
AndieMac
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I noticed the golden swan was developing some battle scars, it is certainly a highly noticeable addition to an anchorage
...not so sure about a pink flamingo, perhaps I'm too conservative 
Yes, sad when the kids go back, but at least they still want to hang out with the parents. Mind you, if I had parents like you and E, I'd want to hang around as well!
MapisM
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A bold statement, if I've ever seen one.
It's all well and good till you say that the transformers-inspired design of the SS116 does it for you, because you are right in saying that it's a matter of taste, after all.
But along the same lines, you can't say that SL design "needs" updating, because the verb implies that it ain't a matter of taste anymore, and this is an evident self-contradiction.
Anyhow, basic logic aside, do you really think that it would have been difficult for SL to reinvent their style, if they wanted to?
When they sell much more than SS in this segment and are busier with new builds, btw?
Trying to look "newer" by mean of skin-deep differences is a very popular mistake of designers (in general, not just with boats), that very rarely withstands the test of time - if ever.
PYB, who knows the market better than most of us, nailed it with his comment on the earlier 'Hattans vs. the same vintage SLs.
Just look at the pic below and ask yourself, honestly: which of these two boats would you rather want to own TODAY, based on their external appearance alone?
And regardless of aesthetic preferences, which one would you rather want to own, if you were trying to sell the thing?
MapisM
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Have a look at this thing, then: no hull windows at all, and no hard top - heaven forbid!
Yet, try to imagine looking at her in 10 years from now, when the SS116 would obviously look as yesteryear as the old 'Hattan 84 looks now.
My bet is that you would think she's as much a thing of beauty as she was in 2014, when she was launched.
PowerYachtBlog
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A bold statement, if I've ever seen one.
It's all well and good till you say that the transformers-inspired design of the SS116 does it for you, because you are right in saying that it's a matter of taste, after all.
But along the same lines, you can't say that SL design "needs" updating, because the verb implies that it ain't a matter of taste anymore, and this is an evident self-contradiction.
Anyhow, basic logic aside, do you really think that it would have been difficult for SL to reinvent their style, if they wanted to?
When they sell much more than SS in this segment and are busier with new builds, btw?
Trying to look "newer" by mean of skin-deep differences is a very popular mistake of designers (in general, not just with boats), that very rarely withstands the test of time - if ever.
PYB, who knows the market better than most of us, nailed it with his comment on the earlier 'Hattans vs. the same vintage SLs.
Just look at the pic below and ask yourself, honestly: which of these two boats would you rather want to own TODAY, based on their external appearance alone?
And regardless of aesthetic preferences, which one would you rather want to own, if you were trying to sell the thing?
BTW the SL 82 is a design from 1996 and is a further development of the 91 launched 80. So that design lasted over twenty years replaced in 2017 by the SL86.
The above photo also does more justice then it should to the Manhattan 84. I mean if you see it in the flesh it really does not work well, the super structure looking heavy on the hull.
A problem with some late 90s early 2000s Sunseeker apparent in some models more to others.
It's replacement the 2005 82 Yacht worked much better IMO, which I think was one of Sunseeker best design's above 24 meters.
Bouba
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Actually in ten years she would look even better if it’s electronics package on the radar arch reduces in size. At the moment it’s a bit of an eyesore on a very sleek vesselHave a look at this thing, then: no hull windows at all, and no hard top - heaven forbid!
Yet, try to imagine looking at her in 10 years from now, when the SS116 would obviously look as yesteryear as the old 'Hattan 84 looks now.
My bet is that you would think she's as much a thing of beauty as she was in 2014, when she was launched.
petem
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Car analogies rarely work, but that's a bit like saying that the latest 911 looks old because it doesn't look like a Lamborghini Huracan.
No prizes for guessing which you'd prefer!
MrB
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Have a look at this thing, then: no hull windows at all, and no hard top - heaven forbid!
Yet, try to imagine looking at her in 10 years from now, when the SS116 would obviously look as yesteryear as the old 'Hattan 84 looks now.
My bet is that you would think she's as much a thing of beauty as she was in 2014, when she was launched.
That to me looks like an aircraft carrier lol. *exit stage left*
MrB
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petem
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Neither tbh. I like Alfa Romeos and Aston Martins.
#speechless!
You can't like Alfas but not like San Lorenzos. Surely there must be some law preventing this?
MrB
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You would think so lol. I never said I didn't like the SL, I said i would choose a SS or Prini over it but that is my own personal taste. I'm not a huge fan of the Prini either lol.
:encouragement: *grabs coat*
MapisM
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I have a funny feeling that she feels like it as well: 30 feet longer, 100+ tons heavier, and MUCH faster.
You might feel ashamed of your SS116, while watching her overtake you in the blink of an eye.
