V42 v Targa 43 differences etc

[Seven Spades]

Why is there sucha huge price difference between the Princess V42's and the Traga 40 & 43's? Is it that the Targa has shaft drives and if so are shafts really so much of an advantage?



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[hlb]

Shaft engines cost more to fit.

Boats with shafts handle much better than outdrives.

Shafts are much cheaper to maintain.

You would probably have to fit a bow thruster with outdrives.

Outdrives are faster than props.

You can beach outdrives.

Take your pick. Me I only want shafts.

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[Moose]

Even if they fall off?/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Jerbro]

The shaft driven boat will need bigger engines to achieve same speed as the outdrive boat, therefore more expensive initial outlay. I understand the price differential between shaft driven and outdrive V40 reached £80K when they pulled the shaft option.

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[Seven Spades]

It seems that there is a cost benefit analysis to undertake regarding the engine choice. However does that explain the difference in the prices/values of these two brands or is the Princess an inferior boat?

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[Jerbro]

Your asking the wrong person. You know what answer I'll give. I looked at both brands and made my choice. In my opinion, the radar arch on the targa slopes the wrong way!

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[tcm]

Re: radar arch

really? I know that a fwd facing radar arch is aesthetically more dynamic, but in practice the rearward radar ach gives a far roomier feel if the cockpit cover is up, for example. The clankity bits of metal look a total mess when they are up - which they usually are, because it is either very rainy or very sunny. No contest at a boat show, but that's it.

That aside, 80 grand sounds a whole load of loot in difference. I didn't much like the t43 when i drove one at speed- a bit twitchy and fally over. I suppose the low-40 footers always feels a squeeze - and widthwise you can see the t43 is highish and thinnish than the larger targa 48 or now 52.

Inside though the fairline feels more special - in fact more special even than a V50 or V65, which seem a bit plainish - perhaps ready for export to bland-crazed yanks.

There can't be too much in it - apart from 80 grand - which seems too much for shafts.

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[c_j]

The V42 is roomier as long as you have the cockpit and not the garage version, but of cours the 43 has a garage. The V42 is quicker, and in terms of maintenance I have had a V40 for two years and a shaftdiven t48 for about 8 months and I have spent more on the t48 stern gear than I ever did on the v40. Not hat I have spent that much but in newish boats I think the sterngear maintenance thing is over stated. The 43 is more stylish but I would prefer a V42 to a 43 mainly because the accomodation is the same, but the performance is far better on the 42. the 42 is also great to handle. The shaft drive boys will always roll out the better handling stuff but the point and squirt ability of legs is in my opinion just as good, just different.

With a larger boat then shafts are good, dont get me wrong, just there are not too many problems with legs.

I looked at a Fairline phantom 46 at SBS last year and then looked at Princess 45. The Fairline was 75k more expensive new. It made no sense at all. the Princess was far better inside with all that cherry, but obviously I was missing something. I think it is just a slight edge on the styling.



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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Agree with you. I cant see the price difference between the Fairline and Princess brands. Maybe the Fairlines are a bit glitzier on the inside but I'm sure the hull lay-up and engineering standards are the same. As they're both part of the same group maybe Fairline are trying to differentiate themselves as the premium brand? Pity the reality has'nt caught up with the image
Wot's gone wrong with the sterngear then? Had my own problems as well

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[c_j]

Well, frigging about with the glands and then one brass stud broke so had to replace with stainless, and early on we had cutlass bearing very stiff so replaced it and replaced other side while we were at it, and all the time I am thinking, I thought there were never any problems with shafts when you hear the opinions of some on the forum, bearing in mind we never had any trouble with the legs on the Kad 44's. The maintenance was not that bad either cause we did it when boat was out of water anyway, and if you pick up a rope you can lift the leg etc etc etc.

Otherwise the boat has been absolutely fantastic but if I could do a deal on a 52!!!

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

I've had a few probs myself including a port engine which suddenly stopped at sea. The Cat engineer spent 3 days of our last holiday pulling the engine to pieces before deciding that there was no problem with the engine and he'd better check the fuel pump. Doh! Also had a mysterious generator fault which causes it to stop all of a sudden but nobody can find anything wrong with it and the frigging passarelle has a mind of its own which is driving me nuts. Have replaced all the shower door rollers but the doors still wont move freely and I spend many a happy hour tightening up self tapping screws all over the boat

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[c_j]

Is it an HLF genny? I so I had the same problem and there are a number of safet features built in such as low oil, increased temperature which cause it to cut itself out. But my problem was actually the power switch which you hold down whilst pressign start switch. When Genny starts you continue to hold until whistleing stops. But mine went intermittant so it would start and thne cut out. A new one from HFL for 2.49 solved problem but it took me ages to work out and only became obvious when switch failed completely. Even then I thought it was Battery at first.

The most likely reason for cut out is restricted cooling water inlet, which in turn increases engine temperature and causes safety cut out. You will notice that engine starts again but cuts out again soon after. Of course if its an Onan I dont have a clue!

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Yes I've got the HFL genny but my problem was that the thing would cut out after 30mins or so. My first thought was the cooling water and I did have it checked out but there was plenty of water flowing through
On the other hand, the problem has gone away recently and I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that I had the boat lifted and scrubbed recently. I made a particular point of cleaning all the skin fittings because the boat was heavily fouled with barnacles. Maybe I've inadvertently fixed it!

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[c_j]

There is a filter fo the incoming cooling water which gets clogged, but the switch problem with mine also would cause Genny to cut out after 30 mins. The tell tale is if you can hear the triangle marked switch arcing whilst trying to start.

What do you think of Dark blue anti foul. I (and I think you) have white but it shows minor growth through the season and is a bit messy. Blue on the other hand would not show the growth but would it look good on a white hull. You dont think this thread is drifting a bit do you ?

Nahh

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Yeah, I checked the filter and it was clear.
I dont like the white antifoul for the same reason as you - it shows all the growth. I dont know about blue, maybe a bit sudden. I was thinking of dark grey myself which I know from previous boats still looks OK when fouled

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[c_j]

Grey it is then: Dark grey or light grey, would have to be darkish I spose not to show growth. I have seen a very dark blue which I quite liked, but a dark grey would match boot line.

There is a great place in Poole called precision units for making up those perspex drinks holders if you have any broken?

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Yup, have broken the drinks holder right aft and one of those on the foredeck. Got the phone number? Will they know wot I'm talking about or will I have to give them measurements?

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[Wiggo]

I got replacements from Fairline via Peters (after a lot of badgering). Cost about 25 quid a piece, if we're talking about the greeny perspex things...

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

OK, thanks

I'll try them

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[tcm]

i eventually got round to black , which the dealer advised against, but then saw how everything beneath the water line vanished so after that he recommended black to everyone. I am told black is stronger. The blue seems to change color and is a bit lurid.

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