robyonfrome
Well-Known Member
I have just received this definitive email below from The Crown Estate.
On Sunday 14th I landed on the foreshore of Long island, there I spoke to a representative from the Rempstone Estate, he showed me a chart of Long Island with The Rempstons Estates land marked out, which I told him, conflicted considerably with the present day mean high water mark. We established that I could enter upon the land considered to be owned by the Crown Estate, but we agreed to disagree on where the area started and finished, I maintained that, as informed by the Harbour Masters office, the mean high water mark is 1.94m above the chart datum. That evening at 6 clock I returned to the beach half and hour before 2nd high water which was 2m above chart datum. I took photos of the tide which was approximately six feet away from the start of land, thus I feel establishing the proximity of the mean high water mark. The Rempstones Estates interpretation is, that the mean high water mark is much lower down the beach as the chart shows, here is the crux of the matter, as the Crown Estate have confirmed. This plan is subject to accretion and diluvion (the addition and erosion of adjoining land) so the chart that they are quoting from is basically irrelevant being subject to constant change. The only positive way of proving where the mean high water mark in present day time is, to physically visit the beach at a time when the high water is 1.94 meters.
I invite any of the Ryder family or legal representatives to visit the island with me to define this mean high water line to establish the limit of where people can legally land and enjoy a little bit of this fabulous location.
A compromise could be to put in place, a substantial but discreet fence running the length of the beach on the shore line with polite signs saying ““please keep out - birds nesting”” and ““fire risk””. Another idea would be to set up a ““friends of the island”” group that could pick up the occasional rubbish. That way a large number of people could continue to enjoy the shoreline, whilst keeping them away from the centre of the island, rather than the island only being available to a handful of ““chosen”” people.
This is the letter from The Crown Estate
Dear Mr Green
Thank you for your email regarding Long Island at Poole Harbour. The Crown Estate’’s ownership of foreshore is on a ‘‘time to time’’ basis and the boundaries are constantly changing due to the doctrine of accretion and diluvion, (the addition and erosion of adjoining land). As such we can only clarify that our boundaries are the mean high water mark and the mean low water mark respectively at any given time. The Land Registry title plans do record ownership but they are only indicative and show a snapshot in time and relate to the last OS data on which they were based. There will be a note on the register stating the boundaries are subject to accretion and diluvion.
Yours sincerely
Charles Green
On Sunday 14th I landed on the foreshore of Long island, there I spoke to a representative from the Rempstone Estate, he showed me a chart of Long Island with The Rempstons Estates land marked out, which I told him, conflicted considerably with the present day mean high water mark. We established that I could enter upon the land considered to be owned by the Crown Estate, but we agreed to disagree on where the area started and finished, I maintained that, as informed by the Harbour Masters office, the mean high water mark is 1.94m above the chart datum. That evening at 6 clock I returned to the beach half and hour before 2nd high water which was 2m above chart datum. I took photos of the tide which was approximately six feet away from the start of land, thus I feel establishing the proximity of the mean high water mark. The Rempstones Estates interpretation is, that the mean high water mark is much lower down the beach as the chart shows, here is the crux of the matter, as the Crown Estate have confirmed. This plan is subject to accretion and diluvion (the addition and erosion of adjoining land) so the chart that they are quoting from is basically irrelevant being subject to constant change. The only positive way of proving where the mean high water mark in present day time is, to physically visit the beach at a time when the high water is 1.94 meters.
I invite any of the Ryder family or legal representatives to visit the island with me to define this mean high water line to establish the limit of where people can legally land and enjoy a little bit of this fabulous location.
A compromise could be to put in place, a substantial but discreet fence running the length of the beach on the shore line with polite signs saying ““please keep out - birds nesting”” and ““fire risk””. Another idea would be to set up a ““friends of the island”” group that could pick up the occasional rubbish. That way a large number of people could continue to enjoy the shoreline, whilst keeping them away from the centre of the island, rather than the island only being available to a handful of ““chosen”” people.
This is the letter from The Crown Estate
Dear Mr Green
Thank you for your email regarding Long Island at Poole Harbour. The Crown Estate’’s ownership of foreshore is on a ‘‘time to time’’ basis and the boundaries are constantly changing due to the doctrine of accretion and diluvion, (the addition and erosion of adjoining land). As such we can only clarify that our boundaries are the mean high water mark and the mean low water mark respectively at any given time. The Land Registry title plans do record ownership but they are only indicative and show a snapshot in time and relate to the last OS data on which they were based. There will be a note on the register stating the boundaries are subject to accretion and diluvion.
Yours sincerely
Charles Green
