Unregistered charter boat

[RIB_imposter]

toad - you might find the following interesting:

ttp://www.drascombe-association.org.uk/articles/frenchrules.html

I'm not saying it is definitive fact... or even accurate (ensure you read both parts).

But arguing about whether the technical interpretation of legislation that may or may not exist is rather incidental as:

(1) its recognised that the French have quite strict rules for their own flagged boats.
(2) it is generally accepted that the French authorities do board vessels from time to time to inspect paperwork etc.
(3) It will therefore be for you to demonstrate, quite possibly in a foreign language, that you are a British boat and that some or all of the French regs do not apply.
(4) Demonstrating that the boat is British, is very straightforward with the appropriate SSR paperwork.
(5) Having your boat impounded or being arrested whilst a translator is organised, a lawyer is obtained and the details of French law are debated is almost certainly a much bigger inconvenience than registering.
(6) When you return to British waters, the UK Borders Agency may take an interest in you/your boat and whilst definitely not essential in that circumstance the SSR paperwork can only make their examination that little bit smoother.

So back to the OP, given that 1-6 apply, and that the charter company agrees to you taking the boat to france it is surely only appropriate that the Charter Company facilitate a smooth process if you do get inspected even if as you suggest there is no formal legislation to this effect.

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

But arguing about whether the technical interpretation of legislation that may or may not exist is rather incidental

Seeing the legislation may be incidental, but would it actually do any harm to see it? Would it do any harm to know the value of the fixed penalty fine?

This is the thing that amazes me about this topic. How can people get so het up that someone might want to actually read a law they they have to comply with?

I asked for a link to the Road Traffic Act on a Motorcycling forum and within about 30 minutes I had a link to it to read for myself. There was no hysterical cries of "you don't need to read it, just trust me". Nobody demanded that I join the RAC so I could ask them. Nobody had to be bribed. Someone just quietly and cheerfully posted the link. What's wrong with that?

it is surely only appropriate that the Charter Company facilitate a smooth process .

Errr, of course. Has someone said it wouldn't it be?


Incidently, did you notice that 1-6 do not say that Registration is a legal requirement and that fixed penalties apply, merely "(4) Demonstrating that the boat is British, is very straightforward with the appropriate SSR paperwork." which is true and undisputed.


Another question:
The the RYA state that all watercraft *of any size* must have an original SSR document when they go abroad regardless of how they get therehttp://www.rya.org.uk/infoadvice/boatingabroad/Pages/boatingabroadpaperwork.aspx)

So would it be reasonable that the Charter Company facilitate a smooth process and provide an original SSR document for the tender?

Supposing the charter firm were to agree on the condition that the OP shows them the legislation that requires it? Would it be reasonable of them to ask this?

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

whatever the case is in France, don't get caught sailing by the Turkish authorities in their waters, without the right paperwork...... you may never be seen again!

 

[Sailfree]

whatever the case is in France, don't get caught sailing by the Turkish authorities in their waters, without the right paperwork...... you may never be seen again!

Happy to start a collection for Toady to go there and insist on his rights to see the exact legislation before he is prepared to comply with it.

 

[Tranona]

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Indeed, I took you up on that offer and even offered £100 donation to the RNLI (or yourself) if you, as a member, asked the RYA and came up with the actual legislation and the details of the fixed penalty. You refused this. The offer is still open. That's a genuine offer and I think you believe me that it is. Why don't you accept it? What do you have to lose? (Seriously, what's the worst case scenario, you can't be proved wrong - just because the RYA don't know of any legislation doesn't prove there isn't any. So you *could* be proved right and you can't be proved wrong. All it would cost you is an e-mail.)

But there is a major problem with your proposal. You see, I believe what they say is correct, so it would be dishonest of me to question their authority!

It is you that has the problem and for you to resolve it to your satisfaction. You can only do this in one of three ways.

1 Submit yourself to the actions of the authorities by breaking the law and suffering the consequences.

2 Do your own research properly into the law in France, rather than asking others to do it for you.

3 Accept that a responsible body (RYA) has already done that research for you and all the rest of us and published the results in the public domain. You can ask them to confirm that their statements are correct in a personal letter to you.

Good Luck with your endeavours

 

[dmmbruce]

Toad, I'm a newbie

I'm learning

You are a curse.

Kindly shut up!

Mike

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

But there is a major problem with your proposal. You see, I believe what they say is correct, so it would be dishonest of me to question their authority!

Asking a legal question is in no way questioning their authority.




Anyway, perhaps you can provide some facts to back up:

"Ah, but there are! There have been reports in the yachting press."

"The UN convention requires that when ships/yachts are in foreign territorial waters they must indicate their country of registration by flying the correct ensign and having evidence of registration."

Or if you can't do so simply admit it.

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

Toad, I'm a newbie I'm learning You are a curse. Kindly shut up! Mike

Thanks for your "Contribution".