UK EU Referendum

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Personally, I think we (the UK) are too tied up in Europe to ever come out - even if we voted to exit.

But what do people think would happen to us Med boaters if the UK were to come out?
Would all our UK Registered boat privileges go?
If so would the individual governments charge us extra for being in EU waters?
Indeed, would we be allowed to stay?
Would we loose our UK VAT paid status after 3 years?
etc.......

This question was asked on our Sant Carles Marina Chat forum so I wondered what people on here thought.
 
If so would the individual governments charge us extra for being in EU waters?

Mike

If you took JW to Greece, they would charge you. So, no difference in or out.
 
Hurricane said:
No charge in Carloforte :D
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Indeed! S and I are really looking forward to it, although it's a great pity you and M will have left by the time we arrive. By the way and apols for the thread drift, you were missed at the recent Wokingham Forum meet held at c800ft. :D
 
Rather than all the political postulating and positioning... we could really do with a team of people to evaluate the most likely consequence of the UK coming out of a federal Europe...

At the moment we have all the Europhiles screaming about how much of a mistake it would be to come out... and all the Eurpsceptics saying it'll be fine even better! We just need a definitive answer... then the question of how it'll affect british flagged vessels will be answered... Simples...

My father used to say that if we came out of Europe we wouldn't be able to buy French wine or Italian cheeses !! He totally believed this... and I'm sure lots of others do too...
 
We're already outside the Schengen agreement so I can't see that leaving the EU would make any difference to how we travel to/from the Med. I suppose that in theory, the EU could say that they won't accept a UK VAT paid boat as being EU VAT paid which may have future ramifications for any UK based boaters cruising to France but I would guess that would be covered by a trade agreement after Brexit. I would assume though that any boats on which UK VAT had been paid prior to Brexit would still be accepted as EU VAT paid. I guess that another way Med boaters could be affected is if they are buying equipment for their boats in the EU through a UK VAT registered company in which case they would lose the zero VAT disbursement

Frankly I can't really see it making much difference to we Med boaters and in any case I don't think Brexit is going to happen anyway
 
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We're already outside the Schengen agreement so I can't see that leaving the EU would make any difference to how we travel to/from the Med. I suppose that in theory, the EU could say that they won't accept a UK VAT paid boat as being EU VAT paid which may have future ramifications for any UK based boaters cruising to France but I would guess that would be covered by a trade agreement after Brexit. I would assume though that any boats on which UK VAT had been paid prior to Brexit would still be accepted as EU VAT paid. I guess that another way Med boaters could be affected is if they are buying equipment for their boats in the EU through a UK VAT registered company in which case they would lose the zero VAT disbursement

Frankly I can't really see it making much difference to we Med boaters and in any case I don't think Brexit is going to happen anyway
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I agree - I don't think it will happen.

But, I don't want to go through what you did with the Spanish authorities.
Imagine that kind of attitude against privately owned UK owned boats in Spain.
That is the kind of thing that they have done in the past isn't it?
Then other countries follow suit.
 
Hurricane said:
I agree - I don't think it will happen.

But, I don't want to go through what you did with the Spanish authorities.
Imagine that kind of attitude against privately owned UK owned boats in Spain.
That is the kind of thing that they have done in the past isn't it?
Then other countries follow suit.
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Yes I suppose that being outside the EU and therefore losing any ability to fight against the actions of individual EU countries from within the EU would leave UK boaters more open to discriminatory tax regimes. However as has already been pointed out, individual EU countries don't seem to discriminate currently against boats registered outside the EU so the likelihood of discriminatory taxes being levied on UK boat owners in the EU after a Brexit is probably very small
 
Danbury said:
My father used to say that if we came out of Europe we wouldn't be able to buy French wine or Italian cheeses !! He totally believed this... and I'm sure lots of others do too...
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Those of us old enough to remember the original referendum may remember some of the cobblers that was thrown around with regard to if we should go in or not. No doubt the French wine and cheese thing your dad believed came from that experience.

A lot of pro entry was predicated on the fact that we would no longer be able to trade with our European neighbours and Britain would go bankrupt as a consequence. Complete fantasy but I'm sure many bought it. I did at the time.
 
So, what happens now, if you live in a non-EU country and keep a boat in EU waters?
I thought that there are problems.
Aren't there TI (temporary import) rules or something?

If it is simply that a non EU resident can just keep a boat in EU waters, maybe we would be better off if the UK came out?
I was hoping that there would be some more views from people on here.
 
There will NOT be a Brexit, the Europeans know that and all we are seeing is a lot of 'huffing & puffing' from all sides, the referendum is only a negotiating lever, there will be some small concessions given that allow politicians to point to and say 'there, isn't that much better!' If the EU didn't let Greece go, then there is no chance they are going to allow the UK to leave.... I hope David Cameron realises this!

The Germans & French are past masters at manipulating, the Germans say 'of course you are right, we will do something about it' and the French with a big 'NON', it will appear that there have been big concessions all round, but the deal will already have been done months before! Of course all imho.....
 
Denis O said:
Those of us old enough to remember the original referendum may remember some of the cobblers that was thrown around with regard to if we should go in or not. No doubt the French wine and cheese thing your dad believed came from that experience.

A lot of pro entry was predicated on the fact that we would no longer be able to trade with our European neighbours and Britain would go bankrupt as a consequence. Complete fantasy but I'm sure many bought it. I did at the time.
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I am well old enough to remember and in fact voted in that referendum. Its not right to say that we were told we would no longer be able to trade with our European neighbours. It was sold to us as being easier to increase our trade with Europe to improve the rather dodgy state of our finances.

I voted for it then and would probably do so again although I do not like the idea of political union.

But back to the original point, I don't think a Brexit will affect most of us boaters at all.
 
PCUK said:
Cheap red diesel again when we have left in 2017!
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Much as I will likely be jubilant if we do leave, I think any thoughts that the Government will relinquish an established revenue stream from a group of the populace viewed to have more money than sense is beyond wishful thinking.
 
Hurricane said:
Personally, I think we (the UK) are too tied up in Europe to ever come out - even if we voted to exit.

But what do people think would happen to us Med boaters if the UK were to come out?
Would all our UK Registered boat privileges go?
If so would the individual governments charge us extra for being in EU waters?
Indeed, would we be allowed to stay?
Would we loose our UK VAT paid status after 3 years?
etc.......

This question was asked on our Sant Carles Marina Chat forum so I wondered what people on here thought.
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Personally Mike I don't think we will come out of the EU, don't forget that is not what Cameron wants either! However if the UK did vote out I think we would be in trouble! Because having been a member various countries would view our exit as a reason to cause the Brits a problem! Many think we are trouble makers now! It has been suggested on the SCM forum that the answer is to leave Spain asap and I for one think that would be best.
However I think the youth of today will vote to stay and many of our generation as well.
 
Medskipper said:
Personally Mike I don't think we will come out of the EU, don't forget that is not what Cameron wants either! However if the UK did vote out I think we would be in trouble! Because having been a member various countries would view our exit as a reason to cause the Brits a problem! Many think we are trouble makers now! It has been suggested on the SCM forum that the answer is to leave Spain asap and I for one think that would be best.
However I think the youth of today will vote to stay and many of our generation as well.
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Yep B, I agree that it is unlikely that the UK will leave.
But I'm interested in the legal implications for us UK Med boaters if the UK did leave.
Talking to MapisM today and, like me, he said that TI (temp import) legislation would be the way forward.
That would then mean a visit to a non EU country every 18 months I believe.
Not a practical option for us in SC

It would be good to hear what others think of the legal implications.
 
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