Tyler yacht - can anyone help identify?

[sundanceoflorn]

Wondering if anyone could help identify my boat. I understand she was bought as a hull and deck kit from Tyler Boat Co from Tunbridge, Kent and finished by workers from Sadler Yachts in 1993. She is 34ft with centre cockpit. I have never seen any online that look similar but I did see one once at Ardrishaig boatyard. She has a 56hp Mermaid Marine engine.

The transom and chines at the top of the topsides are quite distinctive and I haven't seen any hulls with similar profile.
The aft cabin is accessed via a hatch in the centre cockpit rather than companionway.

Someone suggested a Tyler Slipper but they only seem to be 42ft.

The main reason I need info is to get the weight in kg for YTC handicap. I only have the registered gross tonnage which is 12 23/100 tonnes. However in general would like to know more info. The official number is 700045 so perhaps there would be more info registered somewhere based on that.

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[mrming]

On deck she looks like a Trintella III to me, but sloop rigged instead of the usual ketch.

However that boat has a long keel and yours is a fin.

So no idea unf. Must be a very rare boat.

 

[Tranona]

Can't help with the design, but the registered tonnage is nothing to do with the displacement. However even if you knew the design it is unlikely that would help you find the the current displacement. The easiest way to get a fair estimate is to have it lifted with a crane. As a guess if fitted out for cruising and with full tanks it is likely to be 6.5+ tonnes

 

[Concerto]

May be this list may help you find which model you have.

Tyler Boat Co. Ltd. (UK) | Sailboatdata.com

 

[Goldie]

Could she be a Marcon 34? Plenty of images of those available online for comparison. However, as they were completed individually, there are likely to be some differences although the basic mouldings will be the same. I’m unaware of any link between Tylers and Marcon (Marine Construction Ltd), but both companies supplied mouldings for completion elsewhere.

A couple of previous for sale ads quote a designed displacement of 4680Kg.

At some point, the boat would appear to have been Part 1 registered in which case, the details will be held at: UKSR - LIVE

Edit: If it is a Marcon 34, this thread suggests that just 12 were built Marcon 34 - Have you sailed one?

Internet image (originally from PBO) of a Marcon 34

 

[Tranona]

All coming back to me now. It is a Marcon 34. The hull was designed by David Thomas, I believe for another project and the deck moulding was added to turn it into a competitor to boats like the Moody 34, Countess 33 and Westerly Seahawk. The knuckle around the gunwhale is to raise the topsides to increase volume inside. It may well be part of the deck moulding. This was not unusual at the time - the Barbican 33 was built the same way adding a deck and strake moulding to an Atlantic Clipper hull. Stylewise it fitted in with competitors such as the older Moodys. The Marcon Yachts that built the boat was not the original Eric White Marine Construction which went out of business in 1979 (I was involved in buying a Sabre and a Tomahawk plus lots of bits from the liquidation sale). Don't recall the 34' hull being in the sale as not sure it even existed at that point.

I am pretty sure the boat you have was built by Keith and Wendy Pike in the back garden of their house about 200 yards away from where I am now sitting. I remember the crane lifting it over the roof of the bungalow. Keith was a serial boat "builder" - as I noted in the link to an earlier thread they replaced that with a catamaran which was put together in Davis's yard in Hamworthy. Keith worked for Mermaid engines at the time which explains the oversized engine. The boat was their early retirement project and they had lots of help from local tradesmen some of whom would have worked for Sadlers at some point. I don't know who moulded the hull and deck, but it could well have been Tylers who were contract moulders as well as owning their own range of moulds. During the 1980s there were all sorts of attempts to get boat building businesses going and Keith knew his way around (he was with Sabre before Mermaid) and I expect he got a good deal from somebody desperate to get rid of a set of mouldings! DIY fitting out was still viable at that point, particularly if like Keith you were in the trade. There was still a robust infrastructure for components and a pool of tradesmen, especially in Poole. Happy days

Here is an AI generated review google.com/search?q=Marcon+34+sailboatdata&rlz=1C1VDKB_en-GBGB1067GB1067&oq=Marcon+34+sailboatdata&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRiPAtIBCTE2NjMxajBqN6gCCLACAfEF1FigmOjoGaM&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
that does not add much except for the basic dimensions. This shows the design displacement as 4.8 tonnes which is probably a good estimate, although I suspect the "as built" weight would have been a tonne or so greater than that. David Thomas was at his height when this hull was designed and I suspect it was originally commissioned for a traditional cruiser/racer so should perform well. There is a strong resemblance between the hull shape and the earlier Thomas Elizabethan 33 although that was of course a full keel, but one can see the progression.

Hope this is helpful

 

[AntarcticPilot]

This is a Tyler (He's named after one of the leaders of the Peasant's Revolution!)

 

[sundanceoflorn]

Wow - thanks a lot all for these quick and very informative responses. It was a joy to look at the photos and see some sister ships out there. Also to hear about the David Thomas design and other info. about the history. Much appreciated.

Tranona I think you are right! The name Keith Pike rang a bell from when my dad and I bought her as Sundance of Arne in Majorca in year 2000. I think his name may be on some of the engine documentation which I'll check when back on board.

I think it was the second owner we bought her from in Majorca but may be mistaken. I recall he was selling to buy a catamaran to be able to take his dog on board.

We sailed her back to Scotland and changed her name to Sundance of Lorn which is the area around Oban where I still keep her.

The information about Tyler came from the survey we had done at purchase and may have been from conversation between the surveyor and the owner. The bow roller has the word Tyler stamped into it. I think the original advert in PBO may also have mentioned Tyler.

I noted on the thread that Goldie linked that Marcon produced 12 and went out of business in 1979 but that the moulds were sold to another yard.

She has been a great family boat the last 25 years and still going strong. A good sea boat in all the weather we get up here and am very attached to her. The info about the knuckle on the gunwhale is very interesting as the headroom below is great.

 

[Tranona]

The "of Arne" is common for boats that originate in Poole. It is the name of an area on the SW side of Poole harbour probably best known as an RSPB sanctuary and the site of several recent Springwatch type BBC programmes. On charts it shows as Shipstal Point. I can see it from my bedroom window (at least in the winter when the trees at the bottom of my garden are bare) and spent a lot of time there in years gone by either anchored off or walking my dogs.

I knew Keith quite well in those days, partly because his daughters went to the same school as mine and partly because I also worked in the marine industry. Happy memories of running tests on a pair of MAN Sabre V10s in s 42 ' high speed launch in the Exe estuary in 1980. They sold their house near us when they moved to Majorca and when they came back lived in Upton while they built the catamaran and moved back to Spain. Returned about 2010 and bought a flat in Southampton. Last time I saw them was in 2019 doing up an old boat in Davis's - I think they had moved back to Poole.

Back to your boat. Pretty sure it has nothing to do with the original Marcon (Marine Construction) company that folded in 1979. The 12 boats were built between 1983-6 and are very different from the designs sold by the earlier company. However that is all really nerdy stuff now. The boat has lasted well and as you say still provides pleasure for you.

 

[sundanceoflorn]

Thanks a lot for the further info Tranona it is all good to know and glad brought back some happy memories!

RORC were able to find a brochure for the Tyler 34 which I've attached. The dimensions are identical to those for the Marcon 34 but the weight is 90kg less. They used that for the handicap as is based on hull data or brochure data.