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1) on Sunday 6th June 2010 - If you were the PR4T that zoomed past us in approx 22'er doing 20ish knots - about 15' from our starboard side going from Cowes towards Portsmouth just north of Osbourne bay - 2 people on deck - the PR1CK at the helm and a woman sat in the back ... then do feel free to apologise.
There was plenty of water around and your dangerous manoeuvre was unwarranted. I suggest you book a course with one of the instructors who frequent this forum.

2) 10 minutes later - if you were the chap heading directly south for Osbourne Bay, on "collision course" with a sailboat - and made a nice sweeping turn to Starboard before resuming course and acknowledge our wave of thanks - thanks again.
 
fireball said:
1) on Sunday 6th June 2010 - If you were the PR4T that zoomed past us in approx 22'er doing 20ish knots - about 15' from our starboard side going from Cowes towards Portsmouth just north of Osbourne bay - 2 people on deck - the PR1CK at the helm and a woman sat in the back ... then do feel free to apologise.
There was plenty of water around and your dangerous manoeuvre was unwarranted. I suggest you book a course with one of the instructors who frequent this forum.

2) 10 minutes later - if you were the chap heading directly south for Osbourne Bay, on "collision course" with a sailboat - and made a nice sweeping turn to Starboard before resuming course and acknowledge our wave of thanks - thanks again.
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Do we get the impression you didn't find the experience relaxing ?

I also suffered two incidents last week with other water users but I decided not to get wound up after all I had chosen to cruise during one of the busiest weekends in the most congested waters in the UK when I could tried another cruising ground which is less congested or one which has a speed restriction.

Chill out, rig for sea and take the rough with the smooth :)
 
Not guilty. !30 miles away, cutting the lawn, and cursing the weather forecast. Had planned the weekend aboard, but aborted Sat eve as the forecast was not good. Actually turned out OK.
 
fireball said:
1) on Sunday 6th June 2010 - If you were the PR4T that zoomed past us in approx 22'er doing 20ish knots - about 15' from our starboard side going from Cowes towards Portsmouth just north of Osbourne bay - 2 people on deck - the PR1CK at the helm and a woman sat in the back ... then do feel free to apologise.
There was plenty of water around and your dangerous manoeuvre was unwarranted. I suggest you book a course with one of the instructors who frequent this forum.

2) 10 minutes later - if you were the chap heading directly south for Osbourne Bay, on "collision course" with a sailboat - and made a nice sweeping turn to Starboard before resuming course and acknowledge our wave of thanks - thanks again.
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well it was not me, however, if he is on here I think your may have missed your opportunity to educate him or yield to your point of view. Given the time lapse, your aggressive and measured response to the incident you describe, in no way helps the reduction of these types of incidents.
 
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Daka - it was nothing to do with "rough" or smooth ...

Passing another vessel that close and at speed is dangerous - I may have made an unexpected course change (to avoid a pot marker?) or he may have had gear failure - either of which could have resulted in a collision as he didn't leave enough space to have time to do anything about it. Oh - and he was overtaking and there would've been nothing I could've done about the distance once I realised how close he was going to pass.

There was very little wash (as I said - a non-issue) - but we did get the spray - that's how close he was.
 
Tidnock said:
well it was not me, however, if he is on here I think your may have missed your opportunity to educate him or yield to your point of view. Given the time lapse, your aggressive and measured response to the incident you describe, in no way helps the reduction of these types of incidents.
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I didn't think it would be any of the contributors to this forum - but he may just read it - I dunno ...
Aggressive response? I don't think so - relatively tame.

I didn't think about getting the name of the boat - hopefully (if we're unlucky enough) next time I will ...

As for reducing these types of incidents - if we all sit in our own little world assuming that it only happens to us and don't talk about it then it will never get better. As I said - I didn't have the boat name and (fortunately) no damage occurred. "rules" wise - no rules were broken - it was just a case (IMO) of bad seamanship ie no regard for fellow water users.

And - just to make it clear - I'm comfortable with 20knots of speed in my smaller vessel as well as RIBs - and in confined spaces.

And for the other chap - I hope he enjoyed a pleasant day - he certainly seemed to be - despite having to make a change of course.
 
Ours is a Bavaria - there is no wood and the electrics went south with the keel ...

Would you be happy if someone passed by that close? Do you trust them to helm effectively? Was there not room in the other 4 miles of water with little traffic either in front or behind? At best he was anti-social ... at worst he's an accident waiting to happen - I just hope it is not with something that'll hurt the 3rd party...
 
fireball said:
Ours is a Bavaria - there is no wood and the electrics went south with the keel ...

Would you be happy if someone passed by that close? Do you trust them to helm effectively? Was there not room in the other 4 miles of water with little traffic either in front or behind? At best he was anti-social ... at worst he's an accident waiting to happen - I just hope it is not with something that'll hurt the 3rd party...
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You are right fireball, appalling seamanship and a total disregard for the right of others to enjoy the water without being doused in unecessary spray. No question.

I can't understand why some will steadfastly hold their course and speed despite an apparently worsening situation just because "colregs says so", when all it may require is to go a degree or two off course for a second or so, or pull back the throttle a smidge. Hardly a big deal.

A bit of courtesy and co operation ensures everyone gets to enjoy their day out.
 
TK - really - the spray is a non issue - it was just spray - not a wave! It was just the speed and distance (or lack there of) that caused my concern - having been on the water in one form or other for over 30 years it was just (as you say) appalling seamanship - a slight turn on the helm 300 meters previous would've seen a good 50m clearance between us - and from the boat sailing 100m to our starboard too ...
 
DAKA said:
Not really no, I tend to keep a look out and try to keep out the way, frequently boats will hold courses that bring them within feet of my port side.
Thats the Solent for you :)
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Trouble is, at 20+ Knots, in the Solent you would be forever darting left or right to avoid someone. Especially when you come across loads of sail boats racing ahead, spread over a wide expanse but still close to each other. Close quarters are inevitable in that situation.
 
ricky_s said:
Trouble is, at 20+ Knots, in the Solent you would be forever darting left or right to avoid someone. Especially when you come across loads of sail boats racing ahead, spread over a wide expanse but still close to each other. Close quarters are inevitable in that situation.
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Well - in parts I could agree - but certainly not for the whole of the Solent ... and certainly not where we were - there was loads of room if only he'd taken it.

However, in the situation you're picturing of a busy waterway littered with slow sailing boats - some of which are racing (irrelevant fact) I would have to ask is 20+ knots a sensible speed? Sounds a bit like roller-blading through a busy shopping centre!
 
fireball said:
Well - in parts I could agree - but certainly not for the whole of the Solent ... and certainly not where we were - there was loads of room if only he'd taken it.

However, in the situation you're picturing of a busy waterway littered with slow sailing boats - some of which are racing (irrelevant fact) I would have to ask is 20+ knots a sensible speed? Sounds a bit like roller-blading through a busy shopping centre!
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I only mention racing because they are then all going in the same direction, not too far apart from each other, which means a big deviation.

That said, I wouldn't leave as small a gap as you mentioned, though if someone tacks in front of me on purpose then all bets are off;)
 
fireball said:
But we don't have to accept it do we!
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No we dont have to accept it, I have spent most my boating life outside the Solent in waters that are not congested, the trouble is the less congested areas have other issues ..........like 15 ft-20ft swells from NE 6-8 in adjoining sea areas.

Thats why we and thousands of others head for the Solent which has lovely flat waters most the time accompanied by an occasional ripple as a boat buzzes us .

You can complain, shake your fist or smile and wave at the fellow boaters , you know which one you will enjoy most :)
 
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