boatone
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-11600229
One of the reports suggests that they were trying to save a dog.
One of the reports suggests that they were trying to save a dog.
Two drowned at Penton Hook
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teddington_lock
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The river is really beginning to get cold now. Bet they went in and the cold water just knocked the breath out of them.
Poor guys.
byron
RIP
Always sad when young lives are lost. The tragedy is I bet the dog survived.
teddington_lock
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Yep , another report says that the dog made it's own way out later ...
oldgit
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A stranger to the attractions of mutts.....
"One of the reports suggests that they were trying to save a dog."
Always totally bewildered when reading of something like this,which occurs so frequently it is untrue.
What is it about dog owners that would cause them to lose all sense of proportion with regards to their pets.
Friends of mine spent a fortune that ran into thousands to keep an ailing dog alive and then had the thing cremated,it was in the lounge for months until relegated to the utility room.
When one of my many moggies was about to peg it (a far more intelligent species by an order of magnitude) it was round to vet and then off to the municiple tip within a bin liner.
"One of the reports suggests that they were trying to save a dog."
Always totally bewildered when reading of something like this,which occurs so frequently it is untrue.
What is it about dog owners that would cause them to lose all sense of proportion with regards to their pets.
Friends of mine spent a fortune that ran into thousands to keep an ailing dog alive and then had the thing cremated,it was in the lounge for months until relegated to the utility room.
When one of my many moggies was about to peg it (a far more intelligent species by an order of magnitude) it was round to vet and then off to the municiple tip within a bin liner.
bulto
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I am very sorry that these two lads lost their lives
When I came home from work yesterday Laleham was swarming with the emergency sevices so things were happening but why did an underwater team have to come from Sussex.
Surrey police admitted that when they took over from the Met in this area that they did not realise how much open water there was.
But being Surrey Police no resources were put in place.
Enough said.
Once again we willhave the usual "Sorry Police" explanation.
When I came home from work yesterday Laleham was swarming with the emergency sevices so things were happening but why did an underwater team have to come from Sussex.
Surrey police admitted that when they took over from the Met in this area that they did not realise how much open water there was.
But being Surrey Police no resources were put in place.
Enough said.
Once again we willhave the usual "Sorry Police" explanation.
No Regrets
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Just a tragic accident, the Police are not guilty of anything!
It's what most Dog owners would do. I would.
It's what most Dog owners would do. I would.
byron
RIP
I just wish dog owners would realise that dogs have more chance of survival than humans do. Depending on the dog sometimes the water doesn't even penetrate their coats. Far better to call the dog and coax it back to where you can grab it and haul it out.
No Regrets
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One of our Dogs has a tendency to sink to the bottom though!
We had to dip in and find him last time!
The other one is irritating, and makes my car/ boat hairy, I might just let that one go...
We had to dip in and find him last time!
The other one is irritating, and makes my car/ boat hairy, I might just let that one go...
bulto
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I am not blaming Surrey Police but just stating what has happened over the last 10 years or so.
I can fully understand somebody going in after their dog but this is a natural reaction to a dog owner.
Our dog was always on the boat,and did fall in a few times but I would never have gone in if my life would have been in danger.
What we have to remember is that the layman does not undestand the river and the forces that it can conceal.
This was a big topic of conversation in the Turks Head today & invoved a number of past and present boat owners who all feel a great loss at this tragedy on our reach of the River.
I can fully understand somebody going in after their dog but this is a natural reaction to a dog owner.
Our dog was always on the boat,and did fall in a few times but I would never have gone in if my life would have been in danger.
What we have to remember is that the layman does not undestand the river and the forces that it can conceal.
This was a big topic of conversation in the Turks Head today & invoved a number of past and present boat owners who all feel a great loss at this tragedy on our reach of the River.
Richard Shead
Slipped Anchor
Dog
went in to catch a stick, failed to get out, owner when in to get dog (fell in) then third party went to save owner and failed to come back.
All from a fairly reliable source...
Both bodies recovered now
Young chaps too I believe..
went in to catch a stick, failed to get out, owner when in to get dog (fell in) then third party went to save owner and failed to come back.
All from a fairly reliable source...
Both bodies recovered now
Young chaps too I believe..
PilotWolf
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No Regrets
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Wouldn't think twice.
Same goes for Kids, or anybody worthwhile...
Same goes for Kids, or anybody worthwhile...
teddington_lock
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An emotive subject for sure ...
I would urge you to think twice , or you'll be just as dead as the two at PH.
You might be the strongest swimmer in the world , but when you hit that cold water it knocks the breath out of you , you can't breath , and you could potentially have a heart attack.
I wouldn't enter the water at the moment , for sure , in the height of summer it may be a different matter , but once september is over , the river is very cold.
Dogs generally find their own way out , the best thing you can do for a person in the water is to get them something that floats , or get a boat. Don't go in the water yourself.
Easy to say you might think , but think how your family will feel when you don't come home either.
I would urge you to think twice , or you'll be just as dead as the two at PH.
You might be the strongest swimmer in the world , but when you hit that cold water it knocks the breath out of you , you can't breath , and you could potentially have a heart attack.
I wouldn't enter the water at the moment , for sure , in the height of summer it may be a different matter , but once september is over , the river is very cold.
Dogs generally find their own way out , the best thing you can do for a person in the water is to get them something that floats , or get a boat. Don't go in the water yourself.
Easy to say you might think , but think how your family will feel when you don't come home either.
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I seem to remember many posts on here not so long ago robustly criticising two PCSO's who didn't "have a go" when they were faced with someone in difficulty in the water.
It's not an easy call - I'm not sure I could stand by if I thought I could assist without endangering my own life. But then again, I'm not exactly skinny, and have been swimming (voluntarily) in October anyway. Extra blubber does help.
It's not an easy call - I'm not sure I could stand by if I thought I could assist without endangering my own life. But then again, I'm not exactly skinny, and have been swimming (voluntarily) in October anyway. Extra blubber does help.
nickcred
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How terribly sad and tragic, the things is when you are younger, if as reported 20 years old, you have less if any fear. I know my eldest (18) would have done exactly the same thing. Will make sure he is aware of this for sure.
Thoughts are with the families concerned
N
Thoughts are with the families concerned
N
Chris_d
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Very sad and so avoidable, although without knowing if it was near a weir or other hazard its diffcult to know why the owner felt he had to go in the river.
Having had dogs for most of my life I've seen them fall in dozens of time or get stuck at the bottom of seemingly unclimbable banksides, but they always get out by themselves, sometimes just needed calling to a suitable exit point if they can't see it. I simply can't imagine a scenario where I would dive in, dog unconsious maybe.
Having had dogs for most of my life I've seen them fall in dozens of time or get stuck at the bottom of seemingly unclimbable banksides, but they always get out by themselves, sometimes just needed calling to a suitable exit point if they can't see it. I simply can't imagine a scenario where I would dive in, dog unconsious maybe.
Richard Shead
Slipped Anchor
We have
Had a bit of a fight in the office about this, dog lovers jumping in without second thought.
There seems to be some sort of mental block that comes up when you suggest that you leave the dog.
I cannot understand this at all, I have had pets and yes it a blow when they go but for you to loose a father, or child surely that leaves a far greater void than loosing a dog?
Had a bit of a fight in the office about this, dog lovers jumping in without second thought.
There seems to be some sort of mental block that comes up when you suggest that you leave the dog.
I cannot understand this at all, I have had pets and yes it a blow when they go but for you to loose a father, or child surely that leaves a far greater void than loosing a dog?
DogsBody
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I think to many dog owners, the dogs is "part of the family" and not just a pet. Many have dogs instead of kids it seems, would be like asking them to stand by and watch little Johnny drown.
Not suggesting diving in after a dog is a good idea but I can understand why many dog owners would without a second thought.
Not suggesting diving in after a dog is a good idea but I can understand why many dog owners would without a second thought.
