Twin screw in the mud

[mrobbie]

Can anyone help? Iwish to buy a boat 35-45ft with twin engines capable of taking the ground without damage to the stern gear.I know about outdrives ,is there an alternitive?Can anyone suggest aboat make/type which I could consider

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[kindredspirit]

An alternative is a boat with beaching legs like Seaward or Aquastar.






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[jfm]

Monohull with Jets? Cat with jets? Like http://www.simsleppard.co.uk. This was a one off and they can make bigger.

Or a twin screw boat with a big deep central keel and drying-out legs. To be honest, I can't think of a model that fits this bill.....

 

[AJW]

Doesnt it depend on how soft the mud is?
i.e. if really soft then no problem for normal twin screw boat?
Theres a Ocean 37 that lives at Maldon seemingly OK!

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[Renegade_Master]

yup my Broom Crown will take it shes got a big keel which protects the stern gear.
(psst shes for sale)

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[Renegade_Master]

yup same hull as my Crown should have not probs

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[Greg2]

As others say, I think a Broom Ocean 37 can (just bought one and when looking at others one had a set of 'legs' for taking the ground). When ours was out of the water being surveyed I looked at it from the bow and the screws were just higher than the keel.

For what its worth the surveyor didn't think it is a good idea unless you are absolutely confident that you know what is on the bottom.

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[Born_Free]

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[jfm]

Hardness of mud

No, there is no mud so soft that an unkeeled boat could "park" on it with the props just sinking right into the mud with no damage. The props/shafts would be bent for sure on any mud

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[oldgit]

Re:A boat for the real world or one for the Marina ?

Welcome to forum.Think this depends on how soft is soft.
Around here in the Medway virtually all drying berths will be mud.Cannot ever recall any complaints of damage to stern gear.
My comment would be that the older the vessel,the more likely it was designed and was built robustly enough to take the ground on a regular basis.As time has gone on the layup gets thinner and the stern gear gets flimsyer all in the name of cheapness and speed.
A WW2 twin screw pinnace on the next mooring up from me has been happily sitting on the mud for years,on mud hard enough for me to walk ashore on one particular occasion.
If you are considering a fragile as eggs/forums/images/icons/laugh.gifgin palace of some sort then reckon you will best be served by shops with obligatory small amount water nearbye type marina,if proper boat then feel sure something out there will suit your local berthing. Ask around your area,what is everyone else doing.
I wonder what type of boats have you looked at and where will she be kept.

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[Renegade_Master]

Re:A boat for the real world or one for the Marina ?

Bye a Crown no probs,.......... props completely protected by the keel

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[pheran]

You don't say whether you want a hooligans boat or you would be happy with displacement speeds. If the latter, there are a number of Dutch-built boats in your size range that have sizeable bilge keels which enable them to take the ground without any dodgy propping up. Props totally protected. Very handy when they come ashore too.

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Re: Hardness of mud

No, thats not correct, jfm. I moored a Turbo 36 (which has no keel) many years ago at a small drying marina upstream of the old Vespasian boatyard on the River Itchen. I was very sceptical when I first saw the mooring but the marina owner pointed to various planing boats moored there (including his own which is what convinced me) all drying out. The mud was very soft, dangerously so IMHO - I really would'nt have liked to have fallen in. You could easily push a boat hook into it as far as it would go
Anyway we moored there for 2 seasons without a problem only that the speed log never cleared itself until the boat had been on the plane for a few miles. One advantage was that the boat never got badly fouled and I put that down to sitting in the mud for 2-3 hrs a tide

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[mrobbie]

Re:A boat for the real world or one for the Marina ?

Thanks everyone for the advice.Going down the Broom road,doyou think all Brooms/Aquafibreas in the 33-38ft range has the same keel configuration, including the Sedan. I am looking for an older type boat(not the see through models you can buy these days) anyway my pocket wouldn't stretch to a late model 38 footer.Thanks again to all

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[oldgit]

Re:A boat for the real world or one for the Marina ?

Brooms are regarded as being well found craft well suited to the more mature/forums/images/icons/laugh.gifboater.Do keep us informed of your progress.

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[Greg2]

Re:A boat for the real world or one for the Marina ?

Not sure why peeps around here (good humourdly) refer to Brooms as being an old man's boat - for my money aft cabin boats offer a lot more in accomodation whilst retaining the benefit of an upper helm/cockpit whereas flybridge boats cram things in a bit (just bought a Broom Ocean so I am a little biased).

As far as I am aware the Ocean 37, Crown 37 and Continental 37 all share the same hull. European 35's also have a lot of keel and will probably take the ground. The Sedan 35 has a different hull, I think, and may not be so well suited. For what it's worth the European is noticaby smaller than the other three for similar money.

Lots of peaople think the Crown is the best but will cost you circa £20k more than an Ocean or Continental - not worth it for the double berth and separate shower compartment IMHO. The Ocean really grew on me and we are well chuffed with it.

PM me if you wnat to chat further (away for the next few days on the boat)

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[oldgit]

Re:the secret world of the Broom.

Reason for connection of Brooms with the more mature(and wealthy) owner is that Suncoast is the proud owner of a Broom which he secretly does not want to part with even tho he also has a taste lite Sealine as well.
While aboard his Broom I found a large pile of pamplets featuring Thora Hird and a certain mechanical device to get OAPs up stairs.He also claims to 21 but we think he has removed a nought somewhere.

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