Trawler yacht ID please

MapisM said:
Interesting. I googled for it, and if the company is this one, they don't seem boatbuilders by any stretch of imagination.
And if that's correct, and this was their first attempt to build a boat, the result deserves respect, all considered... :encouragement:
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Yes that's the company, it was under a different owner that the boat was constructed. I knew one of the guys who spent most of his time building it. He was also a keen boat owner who at the time had an Ocean 37.
 
You lot are a tough audience. :p The photo's don't really do her justice. In a marina full of very fine craft she stood out. I dont know how old she is but she is in immaculate condition. When I say not a blemish, I mean of any kind. Like a concourse car on show. I didn't measure her but she looked a lot bigger than 50 foot. More like 60, (and judging her against the hammerhead I'd say thats reasonable) but that could have just been me in awe. I think she's lovely and something I'd love to aspire to.
 
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BruceK said:
You lot are a tough audience. :p The photo's don't really do her justice. In a marina full of very fine craft she stood out. I dont know how old she is but she is in immaculate condition. When I say not a blemish, I mean of any kind. Like a concourse car on show. I didn't measure her but she looked a lot bigger than 50 foot. More like 60, (and judging her against the hammerhead I'd say thats reasonable) but that could have just been me in awe. I think she's lovely and something I'd love to aspire to.
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MapisM said:
Funny you should mention it, because I'd like such thing, but I'm not aware of any boats ever built along that philosophy.
It seems to me that builders always thought (and they still do) that trawlers can only appeal to those interested in ocean crossing, and as a consequence they build them like battleships.
A "light trawler", so to speak, could/should be cheaper to build than a comparable size P boat (if nothing else, because of one and small engine rather than two gas guzzlers), and I for one would prefer it to a P boat.
Oh, well. Even if such thing would be available tomorrow on the market, it would take too long before a good one would appear on the used market at (for me) affordable prices, so it's not even worth thinking about it... :rolleyes:
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Beneteau S52 perhaps?
 
She has been around Cardigan Bay quite a lot this year. I thought it a bit of a marmite boat!. They put it on the beach under our house in Abersoch earlier in the summer, presumably for a scrub. I have a poor photo off my phone somewhere will see if I can find it.
 
BruceK said:
You lot are a tough audience.
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Well, nothing new under the sun! :rolleyes:

Anyway, if she really is a 2005 boat, judging from the pics someone has definitely loved her, in this dozen of years.
And the hull fairing does look impressive for a steel construction, so I can see why you were impressed, overall. :encouragement:
 
alant said:
Beneteau S52 perhaps?
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You mean the ST52, I suppose.
If so, naah, that's just one of several planing boats built to appeal those who are attracted by the trawler idea as such, rather than by the inherent features of a true trawler.
What I meant by "light trawler" is something built exactly as a Nordie (I'd pick one of the old 57 or 62, if given a choice), but without all their ruggedness, redundancies, and so forth. Not because I don't appreciate the real thing, but because it's unnecessary for coastal cruising - and by coastal I mean anywhere in the Med.
There's no reason on earth why such vessel shouldn't cost fairly LESS than a P boat of comparable size, but I can't think of any builder who offered anything like that so far...
 
MapisM said:
You mean the ST52, I suppose.
If so, naah, that's just one of several planing boats built to appeal those who are attracted by the trawler idea as such, rather than by the inherent features of a true trawler.
What I meant by "light trawler" is something built exactly as a Nordie (I'd pick one of the old 57 or 62, if given a choice), but without all their ruggedness, redundancies, and so forth. Not because I don't appreciate the real thing, but because it's unnecessary for coastal cruising - and by coastal I mean anywhere in the Med.
There's no reason on earth why such vessel shouldn't cost fairly LESS than a P boat of comparable size, but I can't think of any builder who offered anything like that so far...
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Maybe that's why builders are offering more trawlers because of the premium they can charge. I'm off to Cannes to look at an Absolute Navetta 52.
But there is more fiberglass per mètre length both above and below the waterline compared to a P boat, although usually less engine. And isn't the fiberglass on a Nordie four feet thick?
 
Bouba said:
Maybe that's why builders are offering more trawlers because of the premium they can charge. I'm off to Cannes to look at an Absolute Navetta 52.
But there is more fiberglass per mètre length both above and below the waterline compared to a P boat, although usually less engine. And isn't the fiberglass on a Nordie four feet thick?
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Nope, also that thing is yet again just a P boat with a trawler appearance.
They call these boats navetta (which means small ship, in Italian) or trawlers (no matter whether swift or not), just because it's fashionable, nothing else.
Mind, Absolute is in good company there: Azimut, Cranchi, Cantieri Estensi, Beneteau, etc. are all riding the navetta/trawler concept, with vessels capable of 20+ knots - hence P vessels by definition, at this size.
Nothing wrong with them if they are your thing, but they have zero similarities with real trawlers.

In hindsight, I don't think I was clear enough with my "light trawler" concept, and by saying "built like a Nordie" maybe I confused that further.
What I mean is NOT a 55 feet boat with 2x600 instead of 2x800+ hp engine, fitted with vertical or reverse raked windshield, just a tad slower than usual P boats and equally demanding in terms of fuel burn, if not more.

"My" ideal light trawler should have a pure D hull, capable only of one digit speeds, with one 300hp engine sipping 10 l/h at 8 knots, and enough tank to allow for a 2000nm range. But not because I have any wish to get bored to death in 2000nm open ocean passages: just to fill the tank once wherever I like, and forget it for the rest of the summer.

I don't want a bulletproof hull and glasses, water/fireproof internal compartments everywhere, and all other battleship style construction concept usually found in most "heavy" trawlers (so to speak, as opposed to my idea of "light" ones - which actually don't exist, at least to my knowledge).
All that stuff only makes sense if the boat is supposed to withstand awful conditions, which obviously can always happen when passages are measured in days or weeks, rather than hours.

But that's not my idea of pleasure boating, so I'd rather not pay for OTT safety features which I'm not interested in.
It's rather slow and comfortable cruising in glorious weather which is my idea of pleasure boating.
And while that's something which essentially can be done with any boat, the light trawler I have in mind would be ideal for that, with home-like comfort, less maintenance costs than anything else afloat, and (theoretically) also a lower price tag.
 
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MapisM said:
Nope, also that thing is yet again just a P boat with a trawler appearance.
They call these boats navetta (which means small ship, in Italian) or trawlers (no matter whether swift or not), just because it's fashionable, nothing else.
Mind, Absolute is in good company there: Azimut, Cranchi, Cantieri Estensi, Beneteau, etc. are all riding the navetta/trawler concept, with vessels capable of 20+ knots - hence P vessels by definition, at this size.
Nothing wrong with them if they are your thing, but they have zero similarities with real trawlers.

In hindsight, I don't think I was clear enough with my "light trawler" concept, and by saying "built like a Nordie" maybe I confused that further.
What I mean is NOT a 55 feet boat with 2x600 instead of 2x800+ hp engine, fitted with vertical or reverse raked windshield, just a tad slower than usual P boats and equally demanding in terms of fuel burn, if not more.

"My" ideal light trawler should have a pure D hull, capable only of one digit speeds, with one 300hp engine sipping 10 l/h at 8 knots, and enough tank to allow for a 2000nm range. But not because I have any wish to get bored to death in 2000nm open ocean passages: just to fill the tank once wherever I like, and forget it for the rest of the summer.

I don't want a bulletproof hull and glasses, water/fireproof internal compartments everywhere, and all other battleship style construction concept usually found in most "heavy" trawlers (so to speak, as opposed to my idea of "light" ones - which actually don't exist, at least to my knowledge).
All that stuff only makes sense if the boat is supposed to withstand awful conditions, which obviously can always happen when passages are measured in days or weeks, rather than hours.

But that's not my idea of pleasure boating, so I'd rather not pay for OTT safety features which I'm not interested in.
It's rather slow and comfortable cruising in glorious weather which is my idea of pleasure boating.
And while that's something which essentially can be done with any boat, the light trawler I have in mind would be ideal for that, with home-like comfort, less maintenance costs than anything else afloat and (theoretically) also a lower price tag.
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I'm with you on all of that. Trawler now is a fashion concept not a definitive style of boat. Mind you the Navetta looks like a tower block compared to other fiftyish footers. I suppose when the commercial fishing fleet all have IPS then the Navetta will be a real trawler.
Your idea of boating is exactly mine (and of course my wife's) my semi D hardly ever gets out of D mode, except for its regular Italian tune up
 
Aaah... That brings back nice memories indeed! :encouragement:
Any chances to see you around here next summer?
 
MapisM said:
Nope, also that thing is yet again just a P boat with a trawler appearance.
They call these boats navetta (which means small ship, in Italian) or trawlers (no matter whether swift or not), just because it's fashionable, nothing else.
Mind, Absolute is in good company there: Azimut, Cranchi, Cantieri Estensi, Beneteau, etc. are all riding the navetta/trawler concept, with vessels capable of 20+ knots - hence P vessels by definition, at this size.
Nothing wrong with them if they are your thing, but they have zero similarities with real trawlers.

In hindsight, I don't think I was clear enough with my "light trawler" concept, and by saying "built like a Nordie" maybe I confused that further.
What I mean is NOT a 55 feet boat with 2x600 instead of 2x800+ hp engine, fitted with vertical or reverse raked windshield, just a tad slower than usual P boats and equally demanding in terms of fuel burn, if not more.

"My" ideal light trawler should have a pure D hull, capable only of one digit speeds, with one 300hp engine sipping 10 l/h at 8 knots, and enough tank to allow for a 2000nm range. But not because I have any wish to get bored to death in 2000nm open ocean passages: just to fill the tank once wherever I like, and forget it for the rest of the summer.

I don't want a bulletproof hull and glasses, water/fireproof internal compartments everywhere, and all other battleship style construction concept usually found in most "heavy" trawlers (so to speak, as opposed to my idea of "light" ones - which actually don't exist, at least to my knowledge).
All that stuff only makes sense if the boat is supposed to withstand awful conditions, which obviously can always happen when passages are measured in days or weeks, rather than hours.

But that's not my idea of pleasure boating, so I'd rather not pay for OTT safety features which I'm not interested in.
It's rather slow and comfortable cruising in glorious weather which is my idea of pleasure boating.
And while that's something which essentially can be done with any boat, the light trawler I have in mind would be ideal for that, with home-like comfort, less maintenance costs than anything else afloat, and (theoretically) also a lower price tag.
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Apart from having twin 135hp engines, what you describe pretty much covers our DeFever. Large tankage, approx 3500 lts, we filled up last week for the first time in over 2 years, stabilised for very comfortable cruising at around 7.5 kts, pure displacement hull, not designed to cross oceans but will take pretty much anything reasonable in her stride. Certainly not the build quality of a Nordhavn but then neither is the price! But certainly good enough for extended cruising, we can last quite comfortably for over a month at anchor without having to fill with water, showers for the 2 of us every day etc etc. I have just arrived home after spending almost 6 weeks aboard, not actually planned to be that long but felt no desire to leave the boat. Unfortunately I can't claim to have had 6 weeks of glorious weather, off to Spain for the winter to enjoy some of that!
 
MapisM said:
You mean the ST52, I suppose.
If so, naah, that's just one of several planing boats built to appeal those who are attracted by the trawler idea as such, rather than by the inherent features of a true trawler.
What I meant by "light trawler" is something built exactly as a Nordie (I'd pick one of the old 57 or 62, if given a choice), but without all their ruggedness, redundancies, and so forth. Not because I don't appreciate the real thing, but because it's unnecessary for coastal cruising - and by coastal I mean anywhere in the Med.
There's no reason on earth why such vessel shouldn't cost fairly LESS than a P boat of comparable size, but I can't think of any builder who offered anything like that so far...
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Yep, one of these http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/1487544/
 
BruceK said:
Saw this in Pwllheli. Steel construction but crafted so beautifully she looked like she was from GRP mould. Not a single weld seam or hard edge to her.

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Hi Bruce, we found the forum and comments on "That'll Do" and thought we would join. My Wife and I own her and have since 2012. I will skip through the comments and answer questions or reply to comments. We were originally in Conwy Marina with her on the end of "H" leg but mover to Pwllhelli to complete a refit and now we are in Gosport.
 
DTIM said:
She has been around Cardigan Bay quite a lot this year. I thought it a bit of a marmite boat!. They put it on the beach under our house in Abersoch earlier in the summer, presumably for a scrub. I have a poor photo off my phone somewhere will see if I can find it.
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Hi DTIM, yes, we did that a couple of times. A lovely spot to beach her (on purpose) and very sociable too. Most people thought we had ran aground but she takes the ground well. I agree, she is a bit of a "Marmite" boat as she doesn't quite fit into the usual products, Nordhaven being the closest production comparison. She is steel though and at around 40 tonnes is a wonderful sea boat.
 
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