pelmetman
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So 454 kg + 250 kg = 704 kg.........which means I have 26 kg for beer
...But you highlight my problem..........no one seems to do total weight of trailer + sailer
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Trailer sailer less than 730 kg?
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So 454 kg + 250 kg = 704 kg.........which means I have 26 kg for beer
...But you highlight my problem..........no one seems to do total weight of trailer + sailer
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pvb
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So 454 kg + 250 kg = 704 kg.........which means I have 26 kg for beer
But you highlight my problem..........no one seems to do total weight of trailer + sailer
Look at trailer websites. For example, Indespension have the Dipper 2, which would take the Sailfish 18. The trailer weighs 335kg.
ProDave
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That just highlights the OP's problem.
Many trailers (e.g my own) don't even have a plate on them to say what they weigh, but mine, being twin axle must weigh half a ton.
And that one linked to above is too heavy.
Many trailers (e.g my own) don't even have a plate on them to say what they weigh, but mine, being twin axle must weigh half a ton.
And that one linked to above is too heavy.
pelmetman
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pelmetman
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Found this though
..........Just need them to plait it at 730 kg GVW
ROLLER COASTER 1 UNBRAKED
Roller Coaster
Code: ROLLER COASTER 1 UNBRAKED
Suitable for boats of up to 520Kgs, the 'Roller Coaster 1 Unbraked' boat trailer has a length capacity of 4.9m and a G.V.W. of 750Kgs
Features:-
U-Bolt fixings mean full adjustability in all dimensions thus allowing the perfect set-up for your boat for both launching and retrieving.
Height adjustability through multi-drilled front roller supports
Height adjustability through multi-drilled rear roller angle brackets and cranked swing beam (roller height increases towards outer edge and decreases in the centre)
Soft compound ‘All’ rubber rollers
No scuff or scratch marks on the hull
No risk of losing the ‘outer tyre’ (like other rollers) and scoring hull
Polyurethane sleeve inside roller helps reduce friction and ease ‘roll’
Aluminium support arms which flex as load increases – reduces load on hull
Swing beam supported
Sliding clamp and cross member position (above and below chassis)
Specification:-
Gross Vehicle Weight: 750Kgs
Unladen weight: 240Kgs
Carrying capacity: 510Kgs
Length capacity: 4.9m
Patented Indespension 'SuperRide' suspension
Single axle with 145 R12 wheels & tyres
Hot dipped galvanised steel chassis
Winch post inc winch, strap and snubber
Indespension cast 50mm ball hitch and secondary coupling
Rear swinging beam assembly – 4 x dumbbell rollers, 8 ribbed rollers in total
Fixed front beam c/w 2 x self-aligning dumbbell roller assemblies.
Galvanised load bearing mudguards
Adjustable height keel roller and bracket
Jockey wheel
Lighting set (Lighting Board & Lighting Board Arms)
Bearing savers
Options include:-
Retro fit flushing kit
..........Just need them to plait it at 730 kg GVWROLLER COASTER 1 UNBRAKED
Roller Coaster
Code: ROLLER COASTER 1 UNBRAKED
Suitable for boats of up to 520Kgs, the 'Roller Coaster 1 Unbraked' boat trailer has a length capacity of 4.9m and a G.V.W. of 750Kgs
Features:-
U-Bolt fixings mean full adjustability in all dimensions thus allowing the perfect set-up for your boat for both launching and retrieving.
Height adjustability through multi-drilled front roller supports
Height adjustability through multi-drilled rear roller angle brackets and cranked swing beam (roller height increases towards outer edge and decreases in the centre)
Soft compound ‘All’ rubber rollers
No scuff or scratch marks on the hull
No risk of losing the ‘outer tyre’ (like other rollers) and scoring hull
Polyurethane sleeve inside roller helps reduce friction and ease ‘roll’
Aluminium support arms which flex as load increases – reduces load on hull
Swing beam supported
Sliding clamp and cross member position (above and below chassis)
Specification:-
Gross Vehicle Weight: 750Kgs
Unladen weight: 240Kgs
Carrying capacity: 510Kgs
Length capacity: 4.9m
Patented Indespension 'SuperRide' suspension
Single axle with 145 R12 wheels & tyres
Hot dipped galvanised steel chassis
Winch post inc winch, strap and snubber
Indespension cast 50mm ball hitch and secondary coupling
Rear swinging beam assembly – 4 x dumbbell rollers, 8 ribbed rollers in total
Fixed front beam c/w 2 x self-aligning dumbbell roller assemblies.
Galvanised load bearing mudguards
Adjustable height keel roller and bracket
Jockey wheel
Lighting set (Lighting Board & Lighting Board Arms)
Bearing savers
Options include:-
Retro fit flushing kit
BAtoo
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I think 250KG will be nearer for a trailer; I looked at the Hawk 20 (way too heavy for OP) & it's trailer (tilt-back) is 320kg. Maybe 200 if you are lucky...
Lakesailor
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My Seahawk trailer was 330 Kgs, but it did have brakes.
Don't forget all the boaty gear and an outboard etc.
Now way are you going to do it unless you just get a Wayfarer or something, even they aren't that light.
My 14ft clinker dinghy all loaded up on it's trailer, with outboard mast sails etc weighed 235Kgs.
Your West Wight Potter may be do-able.
You can have a trailer plate made with the GTW that suits you on it. Just don't exceed it.
Don't forget all the boaty gear and an outboard etc.
Now way are you going to do it unless you just get a Wayfarer or something, even they aren't that light.
My 14ft clinker dinghy all loaded up on it's trailer, with outboard mast sails etc weighed 235Kgs.
Your West Wight Potter may be do-able.
You can have a trailer plate made with the GTW that suits you on it. Just don't exceed it.
William_H
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Camper and boat
Well far be it for me to advocate a motor boat but here in Oz the Grey Nomads tend to go for the Land Cruiser with large caravan on the back. They often go fo an aluminium dinghy about 14ft which is loaded on to a rood rack on the LC. Outboard goes inside or even on a bracket on the bull bar. In some cases the dinghy will go on top of a pop up camper van.
I really suspect that a small Ali dinghy will be the only way you will get out on the water with those weight restrictions. olewill
Well far be it for me to advocate a motor boat but here in Oz the Grey Nomads tend to go for the Land Cruiser with large caravan on the back. They often go fo an aluminium dinghy about 14ft which is loaded on to a rood rack on the LC. Outboard goes inside or even on a bracket on the bull bar. In some cases the dinghy will go on top of a pop up camper van.
I really suspect that a small Ali dinghy will be the only way you will get out on the water with those weight restrictions. olewill
londonpiper
Active Member
Possibly not what you're looking for as an answer but..... I live in a transit van which we regularly take on holiday with our folding dinghy stashed on the side. The dinghy's a Seahopper Kontender (effectively a Mirror) which I'm in the process of making a tent for to allow us to go cruising.
Also, out of interest, did you say that you've got airbags for your van? I tried to find some for mine when I was fitting it out but only managed springs. Where did you get them from?
Also, out of interest, did you say that you've got airbags for your van? I tried to find some for mine when I was fitting it out but only managed springs. Where did you get them from?
Greenwichman
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Never mind the trailing, what about the sailing?!
Re-think sounds good idea!
Even if you can find a combo light enough to tow, you risk having a dog to sail. Some of the boats suggested here would be really disappointing on the water, except perhaps Wayfarer ....
Though too heavy for your current plan, Hawk 20 is totally fab boat to sail - 1300kgs all-up, including tilt-back trailer and outboard. Can't recommend highly enough.
No connection with builder, just a happy owner.
Crickey.............Might need a re think
Re-think sounds good idea!
Even if you can find a combo light enough to tow, you risk having a dog to sail. Some of the boats suggested here would be really disappointing on the water, except perhaps Wayfarer ....
Though too heavy for your current plan, Hawk 20 is totally fab boat to sail - 1300kgs all-up, including tilt-back trailer and outboard. Can't recommend highly enough.
No connection with builder, just a happy owner.
petrel
New Member
What about a Westerly Nimrod? Easy to handle and fast and fun to sail .
The boat weighs 500kg and I had a unbraked snipe trailer for mine which was just over 200kg.
You can pick up a good one with trailer for around £2000.
The boat weighs 500kg and I had a unbraked snipe trailer for mine which was just over 200kg.
You can pick up a good one with trailer for around £2000.
pelmetman
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Had mine fitted by Dave Newell in Telford http://www.davenewell.co.uk/...........never heard of a folding dinghy before
pelmetman
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Clarky
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Falmouth Bass boat
Hi,
I have a Falmouth Bass boat which I trail all over the place, and have sailed around Mull, Ullapool etc. It's very stable but on the slow side, but with a smallish open boat in the sea I don't want to risk capsize.
The Falmouth Bass Boat is a traditional stable dayboat with the capacity to carry 5 adults. Easily trailed and launched she handles and sails well and predictably, and can confidently be sailed single-handed. Rigged as a gunter ketch she has an inboard, offset, mounting for an auxiliary outboard and watertight storage lockers. The gunter rigged mainsail makes for a short mast which lies in the hull for trailing. The lifting rudder and centre board allow sailing in shallow water. In strong winds the mainsail can be reefed or dowsed completely allowing the boat to be sailed on jib and mizzen only. Her strong bilge keels ensure she remains upright if kept on a drying mooring.
The hull is made of hand laid GRP 6oz, doubled in way of keel. Internal mouldings are 4oz bonded to the hull and fitted with 700 lbs of monocellular foam buoyancy. She has oiled hardwood gunwales and douglas fir spars. An optional PVC cuddy can be fitted.
The Falmouth Bass Boat qualifies for the CE mark, category 'C', having been tested and certified as meeting the standards set down for R.C.D. buoyancy and stability tests.
LOA 4.83m (15ft 10in)
LWL 3.96m (13ft 0in)
Beam 1.78m (5ft 10in)
Draft (c/plate up) 0.25m (0ft 10in)
Draft (c/plate down) 1.07m (3ft 6in)
Weight 272 Kg (600lbs)
The spec was taken off the owners site which has some pictures. My trailer is one of those Roller coaster 1 designs which tilt on launching so you never need to get the wheels wet.
Hi,
I have a Falmouth Bass boat which I trail all over the place, and have sailed around Mull, Ullapool etc. It's very stable but on the slow side, but with a smallish open boat in the sea I don't want to risk capsize.
The Falmouth Bass Boat is a traditional stable dayboat with the capacity to carry 5 adults. Easily trailed and launched she handles and sails well and predictably, and can confidently be sailed single-handed. Rigged as a gunter ketch she has an inboard, offset, mounting for an auxiliary outboard and watertight storage lockers. The gunter rigged mainsail makes for a short mast which lies in the hull for trailing. The lifting rudder and centre board allow sailing in shallow water. In strong winds the mainsail can be reefed or dowsed completely allowing the boat to be sailed on jib and mizzen only. Her strong bilge keels ensure she remains upright if kept on a drying mooring.
The hull is made of hand laid GRP 6oz, doubled in way of keel. Internal mouldings are 4oz bonded to the hull and fitted with 700 lbs of monocellular foam buoyancy. She has oiled hardwood gunwales and douglas fir spars. An optional PVC cuddy can be fitted.
The Falmouth Bass Boat qualifies for the CE mark, category 'C', having been tested and certified as meeting the standards set down for R.C.D. buoyancy and stability tests.
LOA 4.83m (15ft 10in)
LWL 3.96m (13ft 0in)
Beam 1.78m (5ft 10in)
Draft (c/plate up) 0.25m (0ft 10in)
Draft (c/plate down) 1.07m (3ft 6in)
Weight 272 Kg (600lbs)
The spec was taken off the owners site which has some pictures. My trailer is one of those Roller coaster 1 designs which tilt on launching so you never need to get the wheels wet.
diapason
Well-Known Member
Being a Westerly tough as old boots I expect as well.......another one to look at
Just spotted one going cheap:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Westerly-...ng_Boats_ET&hash=item4ab914b145#ht_862wt_1055
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Lakesailor
Well-Known Member
Just because the law says a trailer with a GTW of less than 750KG doesn't need brakes doesn't mean your vehicle can legally tow it.
Vehicle manufacturers often stipulate Unbraked trailer weights below the maximum and that is what you are limited to, by law.
Vehicle manufacturers often stipulate Unbraked trailer weights below the maximum and that is what you are limited to, by law.
ProDave
Well-Known Member
That's worthy of a look.
I would cheekilly ask the seller to take boat + trailer to a weighbridge, explain your weight limit and he might do that for you.
That trailer, like mine has two longitudinal members with a gap between them. If you buy it, do what I have done (well almost finished doing) and re jig the rollers to leave a gap where the lifting keel is located, so you can lower the keel for servicing and maintenance while the boat is on the trailer.
diapason
Well-Known Member
As the weather has put paid to any work on the boat this afternoon, I've been wasting time browsing Ebay. An amazing number of boats for sale, many of them really cheap. I saw a few projects I'd like (including a Contessa 26) if I had the time, money and space to work. There are a couple of Skipper Mariner 17s (like mine) and many others. You should be spoilt for choice.
Good luck!
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Good luck!
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ssjpiv
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Skipper 17
Pm sent regarding Skipper 17 in incolnshire.
Pm sent regarding Skipper 17 in incolnshire.
diapason
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Good luck. I'm still working on mine and hoping to get her into the water after her refit by early July. Other Skipper owners I've spoken to at the Club and Puffin's previous owner speak very highly of them. There is a Yahoo helpgroup as well as a website which contains many of the original specifications and other reports about the boat.
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