Tragedy of 10 yearold

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If he ever gives me permission, I will write up the incident so you can all know what happened.

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I completely understand your annoyance at guesswork but this forum is all about sharing knowledge and you don't get much more important than the maiming of a child in a boating incident.

Somehow this happened and we all want to find out how and why and I guess speculation is the best we've got until facts emerge - if they ever fully emerge in public.

It might seem a little harsh but anyone who is irritated by speculation should leave threads like this one alone, or provide the facts if they are able.
 
I just typed a similar reply myself. In the absence of facts we discuss what we feel may be appropriate.
If you don't want discussion, it's better not to post.
 
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this forum is all about sharing knowledge

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With incidents like this it's more to do with idle speculation in the name of entertainment than knowledge. If you want knowledge just wait for the facts to come out. The MCA, Coastguard, RYA and any other body that may or may not be involved will wait to get the facts before spouting forth about it.
I don't know why others can't wait; it's the internet equivalent of rubber necking. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
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Disagree completely .. its not entertainment .. there are multiple possible causes and if it raises awareness and stops something similar happening in the future its worth it. Closing eyes and ears is not a learning or knowledge sharing process, discussion is.
 
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It's much better if it's informed discussion rather than idle speculation. To get the informed discussion you need to wait for the facts; otherwise its just uninformed guesswork. I'm not suggesting closing eyes or ears but that people should wait for hard facts. If you don't know what happened how on earth can you make informed comments?
I'll wait for the facts to emerge and let others guess away.
 
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I guess the facts are that a young boy was seriously injured by a rescue boats propeller.

Informed comments are being made by people who make their enjoyment in similar environment and who have a general knowledge of the dangers involved in that environment?
 
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As a father of a 10 year old my heart goes out to the boy and his family.

Also i feel for the skipper of the safety boat.$h1t happens even to the best skipper now and then .Whatever the facts he will have to live with this for the rest of his life.

In this case speculation is not helpfull to anyone,I think we should wait for some facts to emerge.
 
Poor lad - really hope he is OK and also poor fella driving the rescue boat - no need to nose around or cast blame on him there is probably a valid explanation

too many people too quick to jump on someone on here perhaps.

Saddest tale I've heard in a long time.

I feel for the both of them.

Ian
 
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I agree with many of the posts. My son, who was dealing with the boy was very cut up being a bit of a sailor himself and having two sons spanning that age, as indeed the rescuer must be, no doubt with many recriminations whether deserved or not. And as my son said, the boy had suffered a double whammy, having just had his family tear itself apart.
 
John, if there is anything we could all learn from your friend's involvement in this terrible accident, please get his permission to tell us so that we can hopefully gain knowledge to avoid finding ourselves in the same predicament.

I am sure we will all admit that no matter what care and attention one exercises, accidents can still happen.
 
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Informed comments are being made by people who make their enjoyment in similar environment and who have a general knowledge of the dangers involved in that environment?

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Rubbish. What you are seeing is mere speculation. You could argue that it is informed speculation but it is no more than that. i.e. guesswork.
If you want the facts you'll have to wait for them to come out. That will take time but many don't want to let facts get in the way of wild speculation and finger pointing.
 
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The wheels of officialdom turn slowly when dealing with a case of this gravity. The summer boating season might be over before a full report is published so this thread is a distressing but timely reminder of the dangers.

Apart from a question about the qualification of the rescue boat driver most postings in this thread have been informative.
 
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Don't knock the wild speculation and finger pointing. I am still waiting to do the rescue boat & Power boat level 2 but my club is short of rescue drivers and after an short introduction I will probable be driving a slowish motor boat. All the speculation has brought home fully the seriousness of this and helped me to ask more sensible questions during the "introduction".

Yet again when I am about to do someting that in innocence I thought a doddle I get a large wake up call. Thank you. Its always better to learn from others experience even events as sad as this one.

My thoughts are for a speedy recovery for both this lad and Duncan (injured by the flare)
 
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I don't know why others can't wait; it's the internet equivalent of rubber necking. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Great idea - lets wait until the end of the season before we find out how this could have been prevented.

Entertaining? - No.
 
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I spend my professional life investigating 'safety' events, some of which are quite high profile.

There are few things more galling than internet-investigators who reach and publish their conclusions without establishing the facts, or having the ability to analyse them properly.

There's nothing wrong with re-iterating plainly wise advice in the aftermath of any incident, nor with expressing concern and sympathy for those involved, but perhaps we could leave it to the MAIB et al to do their work and publish their reports.

With regard to the time this takes, I could bore you with the many reasons why a proper investigation takes time - usually weeks and months, sometimes years. It's also surprising that some of the time, people are not as forthcoming and helpful as they should be. So, please have patience and confidence in those who have been trained to work out why this happened, and let them do their work...
 
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We will let them get on with their work, but in the meantime let's carry on looking at all the possible scenarios and share knowledge of how to avoid and mitigate each one. The news abounds with incidents which repeat themselves whilst official inquiries are going on (and on), from medical mistakes to train crashes.

We could preface each posting with -"If the incident had happened this way, then..." but that would get a bit tedious.
 
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lets wait until the end of the season before we find out how this could have been prevented.

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One thing is for sure, and that's that you won't find out from this thread how it could have been prevented. If you don't know how the accident happened you can't identify the necessary actions to prevent it.
Nobody will know the answer until the cause has been identified. Just look through the thread and you can't even tell if propeller guards are recommended or not.
 
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but we know now that propellor guards exist, the pros and cons of different types, the best ways to approach somebody in the water, that training is really needed for safety boat driving etc. etc.

It doesn't matter if we solve every scenario except the real one - chances are that we'll get pretty close to the truth and if not then we've shared some knowledge right now, instead of being perfectly informed when it might be too late.
 
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