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Hello
Just registered -want to trade up.
What to buy? - help required and understand everyone has their own preferences but....

1st boat Regal comm 2760 1999 - cheap starter boat 18 months ago from shepperton - cant get anything for it and too small now but great boat and in fantastic working order so i decide to upgrade it

want to trade in - so far looked at Sealine S38 but seems to sacrifice cockpit space for accom
Sessa Oyster 35 - like a lot but lot time at sea and i only want it on the river - engines not serviced recently and seen some comments about Volvo 43s (-ve)
crownline never heard of but well kitted out but no rear cabin
cruisers all open plan but nice boat
cranchi smeraldo 37 looks amazing

any help greatly appreciated - max spend 120k prefer cockpit size and want accom but space outside more important - will 'stay over' max 3 times a year and mostly Hampton court / datchet boat for sunny day trips - do not want a river boat or flybridge as young family with ageing parents steps no good
why are boats in europe soooo much cheaper and are they a good option?

thanks in advance
 
Sealine S42, fantastic rear cabin and good sized forward cabin.
brilliant cockpit.
Sealine F43, small cockpit but great flybridge. Lovely master aft cabin and decent forward cabin, tarnish like salon
 
Welcome to the forum, and good luck with your boaty search, exciting times! With your budget you have quite a choice. In terms of part ex, Boats UK have a great rep on here, and always a good stock of boats.
 
Jurgen said:
Sealine S42, fantastic rear cabin and good sized forward cabin.
brilliant cockpit.
Sealine F43, small cockpit but great flybridge. Lovely master aft cabin and decent forward cabin, tarnish like salon
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Thanks for this S42 I do like - should I look out for the "hull" cracking issues on this too?
 
Re the Sessa Oyster are you saying that it has spent a lot of time at sea as opposed to on the river? No real problem with that, in fact it could be said that it has been used as intended and the engines will have had some good runs. Nothing wrong with the KAD43, quite the opposite in fact. Many think it is the best from the KAD series....some modification from the KAD42 but without the complexity added by the 44 and 300 (tappets and electronics)!

You indicate that it hasn't been serviced recently, question is does it have much of a service history and how much has it been used since the last service? Not unusual for boats to have very little use from one year to the next so service can be neglected. Wear and tear of the engine isn't the issue in such case but looking for corrosion may be. Worth getting the engines, looked over by a competent engineer (Volvopaul is your man assuming he does the area where the boat is located) with oil analysis for peace of mind.
 
My twopennyworth would be to have look anywhere but on the Thames for your proposed new boat.The premium that boats seem to attract in that area,recession or no recession, can represent a considerable sum especially as you are trading up and your new boat likely to be far more expensive than your existing one.The cost of getting your new boat round to the Thames will be minor (or a good delivery adventure) compared to buying off Thames .
You are in very strong bargaining position,just look at the sheer number of mid sized twin diesel fuel guzzlers languishing like immovable rocks on brokers listings, racking up marina/finance charges while going green with mould.
As for EU boats,the UK secondhand boat market is only just becoming aware of what is available at the end of a couple of hours flight.
Good luck,hope you get your ideal boat,but please forget " image" get a boat that works in the location you want to use it in. :)
The Oyster or Crunchi sports boat will be pain to to make ropes fast in locks etc and presumably on blimming outdrives,will be an absolute wandering pig at creepy crawly Thames speeds in any breeze..
Ps.....Steel Developments will be needed on your smart phone.
Your outdrive props will be your first real contact with the Thames.IMHO.:ambivalence:
 
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Re the Sessa Oyster are you saying that it has spent a lot of time at sea as opposed to on the river? No real problem with that, in fact it could be said that it has been used as intended and the engines will have had some good runs. Nothing wrong with the KAD43, quite the opposite in fact. Many think it is the best from the KAD series....some modification from the KAD42 but without the complexity added by the 44 and 300 (tappets and electronics)!

You indicate that it hasn't been serviced recently, question is does it have much of a service history and how much has it been used since the last service? Not unusual for boats to have very little use from one year to the next so service can be neglected. Wear and tear of the engine isn't the issue in such case but looking for corrosion may be. Worth getting the engines, looked over by a competent engineer (Volvopaul is your man assuming he does the area where the boat is located) with oil analysis for peace of mind.
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Exactly advice I was after Thank you
 
Hahah - image def not a concern and I dont know enough about boats to know which are better than others....

just after something spacious for Thames - due to where I live...not sure about ropes and outboards etc ...not had a problem with regal yet !!

Agree re the brokers tho - looks as tho 10-20k premium over other areas in the region I am looking which is non-sensical
larson 370 looks like a nice boat but huge swim platform irrelevant on thames!
 
Corvette 320 has wide side decks right around the boat, with low freeboard. Good outside space, easy steps up to the small flybridge. A semi displacement cruiser that is as happy at river speeds as it is on the full plane on open water (NB requires at least 2 x 250HP to get any decent planing speed).

Oh yes excellent aft cabin.

£120k will buy a very good one from later than 2003, but good residual values, and a popular market for the good ones.
 
The big crownline will not feel as spacious as the others you have mentioned. I had one and it was great for weekending and 40kts but not right for you I think.

120k puts you in early sealine 35 and prestige 38 money. They are both larger than their moniker indicates, have good second cabins and will be around 2008/9.

Personally though I wouldn't go for outdrivs on the river and would look closely at the corvette or something similar....
 
I have a Smeraldo 37 - truly amazing boat! Not really interested in selling her, though, and they're not that common.

What about a Cranchi Zaffiro 34? Used to have one and honestly can't fault it.
 
Whitelighter said:
Look at modialbroker - you'll need to register.

Advert number 00517269. €77,000 inc tax.

I have details by email but I don't want a sports boat

Edit: link to brokers site http://www.yachtdiffusion.com/SchedaBarca.aspx?pk=8258&lingua=it-IT
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Looks good if the pics are recent, although needs more pics to be able to judge properly. I'm going to guess OE canopy, though. That's one thing that'll want changing... no big deal if you're getting boat at a good price as canopies are replaceable items anyway.

I'm considering a 2nd boat as my current Smeraldo is 30 miles away... we can use that one for the weekends away and then have another similar boat 1 mile from us. We're going to try it out for a month with a Zaffiro 34 and see if it suits us or is a completely stupid idea. Might even move one down to warmer climates in the future :D
 
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