Tradewind 35 - info please!

wotayottie said:
But isnt sailing a Tradewind on the offchance you will get a spot of serious bad weather a bit like driving a Defender in Chelsea on the offchance that the satnav will send you down a farm track? IE slow, cramped, and without amenities? On our one day of snow per year, I always see load of faux 4x4 SUVs driving up and down our road , happy smiles on the drivers face, using their 4wd for real for the first time in 12 months. The rest of the year it wastes fuel and handles badly. You might just think they were posing but I couldnt comment on that.

In these days of 24 hour accurate weather forecasts and with lots of harbours and marinas around, there really is no reason why the large majority of us should ever experience an 8 at sea. And that is feasible in an AWB anyway.

P.S. And I pass absolutely no adverse comment implied or express on the owners of Tradewind boats. :D
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I guess it is because looks come before interior volume and the motion of a heavy displacement boat is just generally better than an AWB. A Ben/Jen/Bav looks OK, some look rather nice, but that Tradewind is a bit gorgeous don't you think? It's got less interior volume than an AWB but not everyone has the need for 3 seperate sleeping cabins. And they don't slam and they don't bounce about. I guess the excellent heavy weather sea keeping is a bonus none of us long keelers hope to need!

Thank heavens we don't all sail in the equivalent of a Ford, nice, but very samey.
 
Pleiades sums it up well. My last boat was a 33 which I lived aboard for two years and did an extended Atlantic circuit in. You can make them move in light winds with the right sails. They do feel very safe in nasty conditions. With practice you can park and even reverse without too much hassle; even under sail! The current owner of that boat altered the shape of the rudder and added a bowsprit, both of which I would have done had I kept her. IMO they are a great boat!
 
Sails a bit like this...

Wotayottie, you are sailing on thin ice there skipper (if that is operationally feasible) - being as how one is indeed a Landrover owner - you are preaching to the clearly corrupted and beyond redemption.....


Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
 
Slow, cramped and uncomfortable?

And 'tis so damned slow, cramped and uncomfortable that I often have to resort to applying strong liquor to dull the unpleasantness of the ambience when plodding to windward - not in the Landrover of course - so if it is posing you want.......
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Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
 
Pleiades said:
And 'tis so damned slow, cramped and uncomfortable that I often have to resort to applying strong liquor to dull the unpleasantness of the ambience when plodding to windward - not in the Landrover of course - so if it is posing you want.......
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Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
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Jings .. a cheating wideangle lens flatters to deceive ;-)
 
Pleiades said:
And 'tis so damned slow, cramped and uncomfortable that I often have to resort to applying strong liquor to dull the unpleasantness of the ambience when plodding to windward - not in the Landrover of course - so if it is posing you want.......
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Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
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Oil lamps too! Bet you have a yearning for baggywrinckle, maybe even for the Landy! And a little pot of Stockholm tar as an air freshener. :D

The Lazy Kipper said:
that Tradewind is a bit gorgeous don't you think?

Thank heavens we don't all sail in the equivalent of a Ford, nice, but very samey.
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As you say, we dont all like the same thing. Personally I dont think the Tradewind is gorgeous - that cabin roof is a bit like a tank turret to my mind. But then I think the cat in my avatar is gorgeous. Takes all sorts and tastes change anyway. I've gone through a wide variety of boats both mono and multi and am always convinced that my current one is the best. Leg pulling apart, maybe it will be something like a Tradewind next time though I would probably lean towards Vancouver if I went for Defender boating.
 
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wotayottie said:
As you say, we dont all like the same thing. Personally I dont think the Tradewind is gorgeous - that cabin roof is a bit like a tank turret to my mind. But then I think the cat in my avatar is gorgeous. Takes all sorts and tastes change anyway. I've gone through a wide variety of boats both mono and multi and am always convinced that my current one is the best. Leg pulling apart, maybe it will be something like a Tradewind next time though I would probably lean towards Vancouver if I went for Defender boating.
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Think you are being a bit harsh there, I would say I think both vessels are very nice as they are good at sailing in certain conditions and places and at least both have sailing and being at sea as the start point of their design.
 
Tradewind 35

As a relatively new sailor and 35 owner they are very secure and she seems to sail well I have a cruising schute to help in the light winds. I fell in love with the type in croatia met a man called Bob who sailed lived on one out there part of the year and well now I am hooked.
 
I believe that (having dug around in the loft) I have discovered a section diagram for the GRP layup of the tradewind class (will have to extrapolate for individual models).


No time now but will post asap if OP still interested
 
Tradewind33 said:
At the end of the day the TW 35 is a cursing boat, I don't wish to go fast, I want comfort and to enjoy what days sail brings, be it for weeks or months.
This fascination with going fast by what , an extra knot or two !
The Tradewind 35 is a certain horse for a certain course if I may put it that way, without offending anybody. :)
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You have me wondering what sort of sailing you do and where you do it. Speed is important, not for the pleasure of going at 6kn rather than 5 kn (would it feel any different? I doubt it) but from the point of view of making tidal gates and locks and harbours.

For example, a trip I did a couple of years back from Padstow to Cardiff. Took me 14 hours and I just made the last tidal gate an hour before the tide turned foul. This was at Lavernock point where the tide switches from full bore one direction straight into full bore the other and is a definite no go for a 33 ft sailing boat against a spring tide. Had I missed that gate, I would have had to anchor in Barry and get to my destination 12 hours later, taking 26 hours total instead of 14. Single handed that is an important difference.

The further you venture away from the south coast where there are lots of convenient stop off points, the more often this sort of situation comes up.
 
Time and tides wait for no one - even in fast boats.

Hi Wotayottie, I don't follow the idea that the further away from the South Coast the greater the need for speed. As a generalisation I would argue that the further north one goes, the lack of marinas and potentially harder weather mean load carrying ability, heavy weight fittings, extra ground tackle etc all take on more importance than speed though calm water. I suppose one just gets used to getting there sometime, eventually, give or take a day or two:)
For my type of single handed sailing I know I can get say from the Isle of Wight to the North of Ireland in 4 and a bit days if weather favourable, or maybe 6 and a half if adverse - either way the ability of the boat to plod on regardless in fair weather or foul is more important than boat speed. The idea of counting on a 14 hour passage to meet a critical tidal gate sounds too stressful for my liking -too much like work! If the weather goes belly up your 14 hour passage might end up being 24 hours anyway - even in a super speedy craft.
At least in a Tradewind if you do miss a tide and have to anchor up you can chill in your ugly slow boat and admire the vapour trails left behind by those with a much greater need for much greater speed.:D
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Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
 
Pleiades said:
Hi Wotayottie, I don't follow the idea that the further away from the South Coast the greater the need for speed. As a generalisation I would argue that the further north one goes, the lack of marinas and potentially harder weather mean load carrying ability, heavy weight fittings, extra ground tackle etc all take on more importance than speed though calm water. I suppose one just gets used to getting there sometime, eventually, give or take a day or two:)
For my type of single handed sailing I know I can get say from the Isle of Wight to the North of Ireland in 4 and a bit days if weather favourable, or maybe 6 and a half if adverse - either way the ability of the boat to plod on regardless in fair weather or foul is more important than boat speed. The idea of counting on a 14 hour passage to meet a critical tidal gate sounds too stressful for my liking -too much like work! If the weather goes belly up your 14 hour passage might end up being 24 hours anyway - even in a super speedy craft.
At least in a Tradewind if you do miss a tide and have to anchor up you can chill in your ugly slow boat and admire the vapour trails left behind by those with a much greater need for much greater speed.:D
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Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
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:D :D
 
I relly like ours

Bit late to this thread, but Achates is a TW35 with bowsprit. As others have said she is heavy and reversing involves going astern finding out where you end up and pretending that you wanted to go there. She is, however, surprisingly slippery and does maintain steerage way in very light airs, so you will get there eventually. On a broad reach or on a run, except in strong winds it is best to use either the Cruising Chute or Spinnaker. Otherwise the cutter rig is pretty good in all but the lightest of winds and I may invest in a large, lightweight genoa for those occasions. It is when the wind picks up, however, that she comes into her own. Sure footed on all courses she exudes a steady and easy motion in which one can take extreme confidence. She is easy to balance and never rounds up in an unexpected manner no matter how great the heel. With a good set of sails she has out performed larger and more modern boats when conditions have become testing. Finally she is beautiful (at least to my eyes)... you decide.
 
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Pleiades said:
And 'tis so damned slow, cramped and uncomfortable that I often have to resort to applying strong liquor to dull the unpleasantness of the ambience when plodding to windward - not in the Landrover of course - so if it is posing you want.......
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Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
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" cramped and uncomfortable that I often have to resort to applying strong liquor to dull the unpleasantness of the ambience when plodding to windward "

Hardly from that photo, looks remarkably comfortable & the interior of a Tardis
 
Aye they are comfy enough when in port but on passage the deep accommodation, snug sea berths, abundance of grab handles, small windows etc do contribute to crew comfort and safety - my daughter went on a very nice modern charter awb this summer but after a lifetime weened on a Tradewind she found the wide open spaces down below on the open plan awb a bit of a shocker.
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And ahoy dear Oldfatgit - may I say that your first pickie is a truly splendid photo of you showing us her bottom - the nether regions of Achates I mean - excellent work whoever was in charge of the box brownie. And your sails are well tidy....

Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
 
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