Tiredness

johnalison said:
Nothing on earth would persuade me to have a kip while within reach of these shores, which is why I support the "re-routing" advice given before.

We have done Lowestoft-Ijmuiden as a day-trip quite easily, in our incredibly slow HR (though why Hanses seem to always end up astern is something of a mystery). Also, Salcombe - Channel Isles or even parts of Brittany is also a day-sail. If I were in Falmouth and wanting to cross single-handed I would choose to shorten the route.
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I have done SH as far as pornichet plus a round england this year & i accept your comments as valid. So far i have been ok of sorts but i am getting older!!

So far trips have been limited to 27 hours. Whilst i have managed it quite a few times i was hoping someone would have experience of various energy supplements, not so much to extend the 27 hours but to help keep awake on the last 5 or 6 hours
I did not want to prompt anyone half expecting a suggestion of stuff like energy bars from people like Holland & Barrett etc
I have recently read a war novel where the commandos took Benzadrene & that was what prompted the query

Re the HR beating a Hanse. Dream on my friend. Well a really big one should beat a small one but my 31 can easily beat a hr35. & as for a hanse 34 series then you would not see it for dust if properly sailed .( & that is the operative phrase) However, i still expect the hr to be a better sea boat because it is heavier displacement. That makes longer trips less tiring. But for all that silly extra money you would want a bit of concrete to justify the cost
& do not tell me about quality because one has seen the story about the duff hr 37( or was it a 38). Mind you hanse have their problems as well!!
 
lenseman said:
Except for Heaving to and sailing single-handed for long periods (ie more than 24 hours)? :confused:

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The boat is not the problem over 24 hours --- it is me
When it comes to the poor heaving too i would point you to the report on the fastnet disaster. I seem to recall 50% of the boats found the best to keep sailing & felt safer ( if safer can mean less fear of drowning) sailing than heaving too. So in severe situations it is not always the answer. I do concede that i miss not being able to heave too in lighter winds though
But for other handling issues it excels
 
Fascadale said:
Does through the ditch, down the Irish Sea, up the Channel then the North Sea and back to Athens of the North count?
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I would think that could well be covered by the term and your fortitude and selflessness in taking culture to the heathens has been much admired. However the OP claims to have managed the circumnavigation tout seul and the Scottish Waterways are quite strict about there being at least 2 onboard fur ra ditch.
 
awol said:
Excuse the curiosity, but how exactly did you sail round england (sic)?
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Down channel on french side, boulogne, dieppe, le havre, cherbourg, st pp, st helier, back to spp then, falmouth, newlyn, milford haven, dun laghoire,, ardglass glenarm ballycastle, port ellen croabh then up to oban & cally canal back down to bradwell via peterhead, eyemouth, blyth, scarborough, sunderland, grimsby( whoever put the grim in grimsby knew what they were doing) lowestoft, bradwell
Easy. Want to do it again soon
 
awol said:
I would think that could well be covered by the term and your fortitude and selflessness in taking culture to the heathens has been much admired. However the OP claims to have managed the circumnavigation tout seul and the Scottish Waterways are quite strict about there being at least 2 onboard fur ra ditch.
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No problem sh in cally canal. In fact i made better job on my own than most of the muppets with loads of crew in dodgy old cruising boats in the locks.
Best was milford haven. I called lock keepe to explain i was shr & went in first. The whole process took just over 1 hour due to about 14 other boats - mainly motorboats- not having a clue
Can someone tell me why a motorboat with a bow thruster ties up by the bow first thus eliminating the thruster at a stroke
Also why do people insist on having lines 100 ft long so they cannot threadle them without a load of fuss
 
Daydream believer said:
Down channel on french side, boulogne, dieppe, le havre, cherbourg, st pp, st helier, back to spp then, falmouth, newlyn, milford haven, dun laghoire,, ardglass glenarm ballycastle, port ellen croabh then up to oban & cally canal back down to bradwell via peterhead, eyemouth, blyth, scarborough, sunderland, grimsby( whoever put the grim in grimsby knew what they were doing) lowestoft, bradwell
Easy. Want to do it again soon
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Your earlier description of your voyage somewhat belittles the actual achievement
while a little insulting to the inhabitants of Cornwall, Wales, Anglesey, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and even the Isle of Wight, none of which can be regarded as England.
 
My SWMBO tends to disappear once night time arrives and magically reappears about 8 hours later, hence I effectively single hand through the night.

I quite enjoy it and find that time often runs away far too quickly.

On the hour, I'll always write the log and plot the position on the chart. Like many, I clip a Pound Shop kitchen timer set to 20 minutes on my jacket, just in case. I clip on in the cockpit, listen to music. I'm then with two of my best friends; peace and quite. I drink a fair amount of coffee and being a bloke of a certain age I have to get rid of it again very regularly. All of this takes time :D

I would not plan to enter a port or to navigate a difficult passage during darkness while single handed out of choice.
 
awol said:
Your earlier description of your voyage somewhat belittles the actual achievement
while a little insulting to the inhabitants of Cornwall, Wales, Anglesey, Isle of Man, Channel Islands and even the Isle of Wight, none of which can be regarded as England.
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But i only circumnavigated England. I did not circumnavigate ireland, or scotland.----- & wales does not count!!:D:D:D
Oh & i forgot I O M -- sorry!!
 
johnalison said:
We have done Lowestoft-Ijmuiden as a day-trip quite easily, in our incredibly slow HR (though why Hanses seem to always end up astern is something of a mystery). Also, Salcombe - Channel Isles or even parts of Brittany is also a day-sail. If I were in Falmouth and wanting to cross single-handed I would choose to shorten the route.
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An 'incredibly slow' HR34 is probably a tad faster than a Hurley 22 (LWL 17ft) with an outboard (and hence limited motoring time). Those crossings are typically about 100 Nm = c20 hours assuming a direct course at full speed (never experienced it myself!), in reality c30 hours and upwards including getting in and out of port either end. Never made it in daylight myself.

Of course, it helps if you can get more than two weeks off work at a time to enable you to go the longer 'scenic' route of relatively short hops.

I did fantasise about sailing to Norway, but it would take a week each way at best!
 
Daydream believer said:
Regularly do S H trips of 24 hours but tend to be totally k...d at the end as i am unable to sleep due to shipping, navigation issues or lobster pots etc
There are loads of companies offering all sorts of energy supliments. I cannot stand some of the energy gells, they make me sick immediately. Red bull, etc is a no no as well.
So question to forumites is
How do you deal with tiredness when sleep cannot be an option & you are at sea & how do you create energy?
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From last nights experiment and having to work i still feel wide awake with no sleep since 0500 Tuesday morning running on 2lts full fat coke and 120g bar of Cadburys choc:) Nothing else really substantial.
 
Daydream believer said:
Re the HR beating a Hanse. Dream on my friend. Well a really big one should beat a small one but my 31 can easily beat a hr35. & as for a hanse 34 series then you would not see it for dust if properly sailed .(!!
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There's nothing like a bit of competition! The HR 35, presumably 352, was an old design and certainly not fast, especially with the smaller rig. I have a friend with a Hanse 37 about 5yrs old. I have left him severely behind going to windward in light airs but he was about half an hour faster downwind over about 12 hours. I've not sailed against a Hanse 34 but the 31s seem to be nowhere near us. Although called "34" we are somewhat less and I imagine a Hanse 34 is a bit longer.

I don't think it is profitable to comment on the relative merits of two perfectly decent boat builders, but in terms of speed I think you will find they are broadly similar, especially the new HRs with more sail and longer W/L length.
 
Find an online forum where you can buy drugs. Its not hard actually.

You can buy a gram of speed for about a tenner. And it will be good stuff.

This will keep you awake for a week, you might have a coronary and you will probably meet the 'shadow people'.

sincerely,

A. Young. Person.

ps. Pseudoephedine (sudafed of the original variety) is a potent stimulant if a little peripheral.

Oh yeah, please read the colregs because if you cannot maintain a lookout then you will be at fault. I suggest you time things so that you will be able to take a nap well away from anyone or anything.
 
causeway said:
Find an online forum where you can buy drugs. Its not hard actually.

You can buy a gram of speed for about a tenner. And it will be good stuff.

This will keep you awake for a week, you might have a coronary and you will probably meet the 'shadow people'.

sincerely,

A. Young. Person.

ps. Pseudoephedine (sudafed of the original variety) is a potent stimulant if a little peripheral.

Oh yeah, please read the colregs because if you cannot maintain a lookout then you will be at fault. I suggest you time things so that you will be able to take a nap well away from anyone or anything.
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Far safer to ask some kids at a bus stop or college etc. than get caught on-line.:rolleyes:
 
If you get some MDMA as well then there is little likelihood of you and the crew falling out with each other. You'd probably want some weed too though to calm yourselves down after arrival.


This could be a whole new thread of it's own. I wonder how long the moderators would let it go on for... :D
 
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