Tips for fist trips across the Channel

WayneS

Active member
Joined
21 Jan 2002
Messages
1,035
Location
Hampshire
Visit site
As I have just done my first channel crossing from Portsmouth to Cherbourg and back, I would like to share some of the issues I faced so that other first-times can benefit.

Passage Plan:

I did a lot of chart study and invested in some passage planning software (Neptune) to help plan my course so that I arrived where I wanted to having been pushed in both directions by the tide. As stressed by many, tides on the French side are far more of an issue than they are in the UK so you must ensure that you arrive up-tide of your destination and use it to feed you into the port. We had to motor-sail there and back to keep to our passage plan of 5kn so make sure that you have plenty of diesel.

Shipping Channels:

I did the trip without Radar so I was very concerned about what I perceived to be the M25 of the channel. I had visions of hundreds of ships whizzing past with little or no gap between them. I am pleased to say that this was not the case. I’m sure that it could be worse than we encountered but we did not have to do a single course change to avoid a ship. Taking bearings on ships was more difficult than I expected. My hand bearing compass was not rock steady so getting an accurate bearing was nigh impossible. The big issue that I created for myself that after I took my initial bearing on a ship that was way off, my nerves did not allow me to wait more than 45 seconds before I took the next bearing so guess what, they bearing was the same and we were on a collision course……. Wait a significant amount of time before you take your second bearing, 5 to 10 min at least.

Another thing that I found most useful when trying to determine if we were going to pass ahead was to, using binoculars, use the ships foremast and it’s relationship to the bridge to see if we were going to meet.

Cherbourg Marina:

I was worried about arriving and finding no berth, well no need for that. It is huge and there were always berths available. Plenty of power points too. Just don’t arrive desperate for the toilet cos you still have a long walk to get there (5min 30 seconds according to my teenage daughter…) The fingers are very short (about 23’ I guess) and there is no cleat on the outboard end, just a ring for you to feed your line through so bear this in mind when arriving short handed.

The staff were exceptionally helpful and spoke English well. We were charged €17.50 per night for 8.5m. Showers are an additional €2 each. There is a small shop in the marina office complex that sells wine and basic groceries. Also more chandleries and boat shops than you could shake a stick at.

Also a bakers hut on the quay which sells fresh bread etc. If you French is like mine, you may just about be able to order your stuff but you are thrown when he tells you how much. Don’t do like me and give him too small a note cos he says something back that makes no sense at all, just smile and give him a bigger one.

When I asked if they wanted to see our or the ships papers they looked at me as if I was mad.

Wine, the important stuff

As mentioned, there is a shop in the marina which sells wine at reasonable prices. A case of Stella was around £5.80 there. Carfour supermarket is a fair walk but has everything you want, except a good selection of wine. There is however another wine ship in the supermarket complex that is good, and they show their prices in £. We paid £4.99 per case of Stella there. What’s more, if you spend over €100 they give you a free taxi back to the marina.


Eating

There are many restaurants close to the harbour that offer a wide variety of food. Not all speak English but we were able to get along OK. A tip, if you see someone drinking a beer, they are probably a Brit. Also, don’t be put off by the locals stares and giggles, they obviously don’t see normal people too often.


Things to do:

If you have the time, a visit to the submarine museum is a must. Nice tour of a decommissioned nuke sub and a very good display of sub aqua diving and research. In English too.

Don’ts

I have heard that you must not arrive there with any out of date flares on board or red-diesel in cans.



I’m sure that there is loads more but I’ll save that for another day.

Cheers

Wayne


<hr width=100% size=1>
 

tome

New member
Joined
28 Mar 2002
Messages
8,201
Location
kprick
www.google.co.uk
Congratulations, it's a good feeling to complete a passage such as this.

<We had to motor-sail there and back to keep to our passage plan of 5kn so make sure that you have plenty of diesel>

We do an initial rough plan based on tides and expected crossing time, but we're always out an hour or 3 depending on weather. We leave the detailed planning until about 25 miles or so off the French coast, when we'll adjust and make sure we arrive up tide. This means we don't need to 'keep up' with the plan and avoids motoring or anxiety.

Never heard of not taking out of date flares!

Nice account

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

AIDY

Active member
Joined
19 Jan 2004
Messages
7,763
Location
Muckle Flugga
www.ybw.com
Glad you had a great trip, with more to come.



>>>>>>I have heard that you must not arrive there with any out of date flares on board or red-diesel in cans.<<<<<<<

Not heard this before, is there any reason why.


<hr width=100% size=1>/forums/images/icons/wink.gif <font color=blue> Regards Andy </font color=blue>
 

BustinAround

New member
Joined
22 Jun 2004
Messages
199
Visit site
I've always found I'm at least 2 hours early. Maybe it has something to do with my idea of a "weather window" :-\

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

jimi

Well-known member
Joined
19 Dec 2001
Messages
28,660
Location
St Neots
Visit site
I'm usually about an hour early .. OK going South, but a bit of a nuisance when heading North trying to catch the start of the flood at the Needles;-)

Agree with Tome, I just point straight at it and then make the necessary adjustment when about halfway.

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

BustinAround

New member
Joined
22 Jun 2004
Messages
199
Visit site
Best I've done, if I remember correctly was weymouth to cherbourg on a reach with a force 6 :) I think it was about 4 hours early. Little boaty wasn't half planing :D

The first I knew about the difference from the forecast 3, was when I realised I couldn't see more then 3 miles upwind because it was black. Hasty spinnaker retrieval followed by stugeron was the order of the day!

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

snowleopard

Active member
Joined
16 May 2001
Messages
33,645
Location
Oxford
Visit site
i was rummaged in boulogne with about 300 litres of red diesel in cans in the cockpit. there were some raised eyebrows but i explained that i had a long way to motor and that satisfied them.

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

brianhumber

New member
Joined
30 May 2001
Messages
1,365
Location
Sussex
Visit site
I would just advise to watch out for large ships and remember might is right. Coming back this Sunday, just us under spinnaker going north and large old flag of convience OBO going west. He showed no signs of altering course although we were on same bearing since he first came into sight with no other shipping around for him to be concerned about. I felt it safer to ditch the spinny when he was less than a mile off to let him pass in front, guess the 8-12 watch was having his breakfast having got clear of the Dover TSZ

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

Gunfleet

New member
Joined
1 Jan 2002
Messages
4,523
Location
Orwell
Visit site
Out of date flares? I never chuck flares away until they're ancient on the basis that once the in-date one are used we will move on to the out of date ones. I really don't want to be sitting on a sinking boat saying 'oh no we can't use those, they're out of date'

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

Stemar

Well-known member
Joined
12 Sep 2001
Messages
23,696
Location
Home - Southampton, Boat - Gosport
Visit site
Re: red-diesel in cans.

I read an article about a mobo who was lumbered with a sustantial on the spot fine because he couldn't prove he'd bought his diesel in the UK. If he refused to pay, they'd have seized the boat pending a court case, presumably some months later.

The gendarme who waits ayt the side of the road to hammer all the GB cars for minor infractions, but ignores the Frenchie with 4 bald tyres and no silencer has, unfortunately, his marine equivalent. If you have fuel in cans, make sure you have a receipt from a UK source.

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

jimi

Well-known member
Joined
19 Dec 2001
Messages
28,660
Location
St Neots
Visit site
Re: red-diesel in cans.

erm .. I think this is alarmist .. I've been checked over by the gendarmerie and found them charming and reasonable .. despite having a Bin Laden lookalike on board! Perhaps if you act in an arrogant and uncooperative fashion then they might just try and get their own back?

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

philwebb

Member
Joined
8 May 2002
Messages
667
Location
london
Visit site
Re Brian Humber`s post about expecting a cargo ship to give way. Correct me if I
am wrong but I was under the impression that large ships in the separation scheme
had right of way as they were in effect confined to a channel. The other thing is that
a small boat is quite manoeuvrable and a tanker for example is not, so even if you
think that power gives way to sail , tacking on to a parallel course and waiting for
them to pass is probably a more seamanlike thing to do.

<hr width=100% size=1>
 

brianhumber

New member
Joined
30 May 2001
Messages
1,365
Location
Sussex
Visit site
Quite right Phil if we were anywhere near a TSZ or where ships were joining/ leaving the general flow, but this was midway between the Dover TSZ and the begining of the Casquets TSZ in 10 miles plus viz with no other shipping around. If I had not had my my spinny up on 60degree wind angle I would have altered well before as I normally show commercial shipping I am keeping out the way. Because I could not harden up as the spinny was was on the limits and to bear away was also not on I simply held my course as the stand on vessel until it was clear it was best I slowed down by ditching the spinny for 5 minutes to let him go by. Equally 5 degrees alteration by him would have showed me I would pass ahead and this would not have caused any problems for him whatso ever.

<hr width=100% size=1>
 
Top