Tilley Talisman - refurbish or replace

[fifer]

Hi all,

My boat has an old Tilley Talisman stove which runs from a regulated butane bottle which is kept in an aft gas locker. I've been pondering servicing the gas piping as its probably due renewal. The rubber gas hose from regulator to stove fitting is simple enough to manage, however the rubber hose connects to a semi flexible length of braided metal piping which runs for 40cm or so behind the stove before disappearing inside. Do I need to worry about the contents of this braided metal? Is it protecting copper pipe, or rubber hose which also needs to be replaced. The hob burners are rusty but serviceable, it works fine even if the grill is a bit weak by modern standards.

I suspect most people have moved on from these stoves a while back. Is there good reason to update/replace? I am tempted by the idea of going over to ethanol stoves as the gas locker is an obstacle in the lazerette and I'd be happy to see the back of it, but I'm also on a budget and need to plan upgrades.

Cheers

 

[VicS]

Hi all,

My boat has an old Tilley Talisman stove which runs from a regulated butane bottle which is kept in an aft gas locker. I've been pondering servicing the gas piping as its probably due renewal. The rubber gas hose from regulator to stove fitting is simple enough to manage, however the rubber hose connects to a semi flexible length of braided metal piping which runs for 40cm or so behind the stove before disappearing inside. Do I need to worry about the contents of this braided metal? Is it protecting copper pipe, or rubber hose which also needs to be replaced. The hob burners are rusty but serviceable, it works fine even if the grill is a bit weak by modern standards.

I suspect most people have moved on from these stoves a while back. Is there good reason to update/replace? I am tempted by the idea of going over to ethanol stoves as the gas locker is an obstacle in the lazerette and I'd be happy to see the back of it, but I'm also on a budget and need to plan upgrades.

Cheers

Are you sure that it runs on a regulated supply.
I have a almost unused Tilley Talisman , still in it original box, it runs on an unregulated, ie full bottle pressure, supply,
There is only a shut off valve connecting to the gas bottle.
I would not use it on the boat.

It is infact so old that I wouldn't use it at all without replacing the hose.

The hose is a small diameter and is of course high pressure hose . The end connections must be secured with crimped hose clamps such as "ear clamps". Worm drive hose clips are not acceptable on hp hoses

 

[fifer]

Are you sure that it runs on a regulated supply.
I have a almost unused Tilley Talisman , still in it original box, it runs on an unregulated, ie full bottle pressure, supply,
There is only a shut off valve connecting to the gas bottle.
I would not use it on the boat.

It is infact so old that I wouldn't use it at all without replacing the hose.

The hose is a small diameter and is of course high pressure hose . The end connections must be secured with crimped hose clamps such as "ear clamps". Worm drive hose clips are not acceptable on hp hoses

I believe the Tilley Talisman changed from 'high pressure' i.e. unregulated, to 'low pressure', regulated, after 1982. No idea how long that production run was though as most of the information out there is for the older type.

My one uses a modern bottle which has a screw shut off on top and bolt on regulator, and I have an inline shut off as well. The existing hose is in good condition to look at but I'd like to swap it out for peace of mind. Which naturally leads on to thinking whether its time to replace the lot.

 

[neil_s]

I had a go at my Flavell Vanessa last year. It looks good for another 20 years, now! With care to avoid rubs I also managed to eliminate the length of armoured hose.

 

[VicS]

I believe the Tilley Talisman changed from 'high pressure' i.e. unregulated, to 'low pressure', regulated, after 1982. No idea how long that production run was though as most of the information out there is for the older type.

My one uses a modern bottle which has a screw shut off on top and bolt on regulator, and I have an inline shut off as well. The existing hose is in good condition to look at but I'd like to swap it out for peace of mind. Which naturally leads on to thinking whether its time to replace the lot.

Fair enough mine probably dates from late 1970s or early 1980s. It belonged to my in laws who bought it as picnic stove but MIL died soon after , hence its lack of use

The recommended maximum life for hoses is 5 years and 10 years for regulators. therefore if yours are older it is definitely time for replacements.

Use LP hose from regulator to copper pipe. Copper pipe from gas locker to local shut off valve ( optional if only one gas appliance isinstalled ) and LP hose again to stove. Armoured perhaps if gimballed unless chafe can definitely be avoided.
You can use worm drive clamps on LP hose but I prefer "mini hose clamps"
Incorporate an Alde leak detector if you can. (See the tail end of chapter 7)

I suggest you read the section on lpg installations in the Boat safety Scheme. ( Chapter 7) Compliance with that is mandatory for inland waterways but it is a good standard to aim for for any boat

Boat Safety Scheme - 2nd ed. BSS Essential Guide

BTW Origo alcohol stoves are NLA

 

[fifer]

Fair enough mine probably dates from late 1970s or early 1980s. It belonged to my in laws who bought it as picnic stove but MIL died soon after , hence its lack of use

The recommended maximum life for hoses is 5 years and 10 years for regulators. therefore if yours are older it is definitely time for replacements.

Use LP hose from regulator to copper pipe. Copper pipe from gas locker to local shut off valve ( optional if only one gas appliance isinstalled ) and LP hose again to stove. Armoured perhaps if gimballed unless chafe can definitely be avoided.
You can use worm drive clamps on LP hose but I prefer "mini hose clamps"
Incorporate an Alde leak detector if you can. (See the tail end of chapter 7)

I suggest you read the section on lpg installations in the Boat safety Scheme. ( Chapter 7) Compliance with that is mandatory for inland waterways but it is a good standard to aim for for any boat

Boat Safety Scheme - 2nd ed. BSS Essential Guide

BTW Origo alcohol stoves are NLA

Good tips, thanks.

Do you have any idea whats in the braided section I mentioned? Is that likely to have rubber hose inside - Its in an area where you'd expect rub so that would make sense. Is it feasible to remove and replace? Sorry I don't have pictures!

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Good tips, thanks.

Do you have any idea whats in the braided section I mentioned? Is that likely to have rubber hose inside - Its in an area where you'd expect rub so that would make sense. Is it feasible to remove and replace? Sorry I don't have pictures!

It will have a rubber (or similar) liner, but you replace the whole thing. There is at least one user on here who tells the story of the outer braid wearing, and then piercing the inner tube, resulting in a conflagration that was only extinguished with difficulty. Generally, you buy a made-up hose.

 

[fifer]

It will have a rubber (or similar) liner, but you replace the whole thing. There is at least one user on here who tells the story of the outer braid wearing, and then piercing the inner tube, resulting in a conflagration that was only extinguished with difficulty. Generally, you buy a made-up hose.

Ah brill, I've taken a look and see what you mean about buying premade lengths. I guess I'll just need to check the connector type next time I'm at the boat.

The horror stories are what are prompting me to sort this out!