Phoenix of Hamble
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saw her on saturday while being dragged around Gunwharf quay.... she's looking very very good for a 6yr old boat!
Thoughts on SIBS
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Sailfree
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Thanks, Hamble Point Yacht Charters do keep their boats to a better standard than most but the owners have to pay the maintenance costs out of their % of the charter fee!! It's the charterers that benefit the most.
When I finally retire and take the boat out of charter (when it is no longer in demand!) I intend to re-veneer the cabin flooring and re varnish the woodwork to bring it back to an as new appearance.
In looking a new boats I just see such a much weaker (I am sure it is adequate) construction and skimping on fittings and the Cannon & Southerlys are so expensive. Its always a balance between pleasure and spending priorities but really cannot justify the current gap of some £400k to change an adequate Jeaneau 43DS into a new Southerly. The £400k is just the main price difference its easy to forget items like the plastic under mattress spring system I bought for all the cabins to make the bunks more comfortable.
If money was no object then I would look at a J boat, X boat, Arcona or Southerly (only one that does a 43DS) but I have not seen the Canon yet!
Talulah
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I have the same thoughts. I sometimes go to the boat show thinking it would be nice to have a new boat. Look at the upgrade cost and reassure myself that buying new is just barmey.
Spending £10k on refurbishment goes a long way.
However, I don't think I can wait until retirement to take the boat out of charter.
The wear and tear is just too much. I'm already refurbishing stuff I previously refurbished and don't want to do it again. Hence the charter side may well stop next March leaving just the school.
snooks
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If money was no object, but still keeping it real, around 40ft and you wanted a DS, others to look at would be Regina, Sirius, Nauticat and Nordship all would be worth a peak....bear in mind the "money is no object" bit
They all do a proper Deck Saloons, a saloon you can sit in and look out of deck house windows
Al Dickson
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We are coming back over from the dark side next year and have got very used to our good view from the Botnia Targa 35 so had a good nosey round most of the "proper" Deck Saloons from 40 to 45 which could sleep up to 6 in 3 cabins.
The Beneteau Sense
Too small at 43 (2 cabins) too big at 50' but i'm told there's a 46 due next year. However, there was a lot of lifting this helm seat and sliding up that bulkhead etc to get access to the stern. It also had silly window hatches on either side of the companionway that opened inwards and deposited rainwater straight into undrained blind recesses. I know its a minor point but not thought through and too much MDF !
The Rustler 44 looked a fabulous boat but a little dated for our tastes and the Dutch Contest felt solid & took expensive to a new dimension. Both really made to order also so not much prospect of a good lightly used one to the spec we need.
I was impressed by the Southerly 42DST and she sailed well & very balanced in somewhat un Scottish boat show conditions - well put together bit of kit and a nice light feel to the interior and a layout which meant you could actually see out of the windows and be in touch with those in the cockpit. Pretty boat too
The only downside was I dont really get the shoal draft thing for cruising in the West of Scotland - I think if we did find a clean enough beach someone would call the coastguard !
Oyster kindly showed us around their brokerage at Saxon Wharf yesterday but didn't have a 46 - we may take a trip to Ipswich for that though i'm unsure if the centre cockpit set up would work well for a young family & two dogs who do short passage stuff on the West Coast and a lot of getting on and off the boat. Also a bit on the dear side for us unless we look at something 8 to 10 years old.
They did give us a wee tour of the SYS yard include a close up of an 885 in build for a certain well known Motorsport pundit though - fabulous.
Don't tell anyone but I have to admit the Moody 45 ticks the most boxes and is well put together with a rig that looks more indestructable than most.
Has anyone on here got one or sailed one ?
The Beneteau Sense
Too small at 43 (2 cabins) too big at 50' but i'm told there's a 46 due next year. However, there was a lot of lifting this helm seat and sliding up that bulkhead etc to get access to the stern. It also had silly window hatches on either side of the companionway that opened inwards and deposited rainwater straight into undrained blind recesses. I know its a minor point but not thought through and too much MDF !
The Rustler 44 looked a fabulous boat but a little dated for our tastes and the Dutch Contest felt solid & took expensive to a new dimension. Both really made to order also so not much prospect of a good lightly used one to the spec we need.
I was impressed by the Southerly 42DST and she sailed well & very balanced in somewhat un Scottish boat show conditions - well put together bit of kit and a nice light feel to the interior and a layout which meant you could actually see out of the windows and be in touch with those in the cockpit. Pretty boat too
The only downside was I dont really get the shoal draft thing for cruising in the West of Scotland - I think if we did find a clean enough beach someone would call the coastguard !
Oyster kindly showed us around their brokerage at Saxon Wharf yesterday but didn't have a 46 - we may take a trip to Ipswich for that though i'm unsure if the centre cockpit set up would work well for a young family & two dogs who do short passage stuff on the West Coast and a lot of getting on and off the boat. Also a bit on the dear side for us unless we look at something 8 to 10 years old.
They did give us a wee tour of the SYS yard include a close up of an 885 in build for a certain well known Motorsport pundit though - fabulous.
Don't tell anyone but I have to admit the Moody 45 ticks the most boxes and is well put together with a rig that looks more indestructable than most.
Has anyone on here got one or sailed one ?
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Twister_Ken
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I, too, an intrigued. I reckon it's a great concept but I'm not sure the execution is spot on - somehow being in the cockpit feels more like being in the back of a pick-up - and the view from back there when steering can't be too good. But the walk-though nature of the cockpit and saloon appeal to me. Maybe it's a slow burner?
flaming
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I've actually sailed one. I think the concept is cracking, the sailing experience was not entirely unrewarding, the saloon area is a lovely place to be and the deck layout is really secure.
It's just the looks.....
Mr Cassandra
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Apparently she is fast.
With only 87sqm of sail ,thats with the genoa and weighing in at 12,440 kg It work out at about 16.6 is that fast?
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Al Dickson
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Thats interesting can you elaborate a bit "not entirely unrewarding"
sounds a bit 50 50 if you dont mind me saying so !
flaming
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Bear in mind that most of my sailing is driving a good cruiser racer with an increasingly slick crew. Nothing with that superstructure, twin wheels and in-mast furling is ever going to be as rewarding to sail as that.
However, there are some cruising boats that I have sailed recently that I wouldn't bother to helm once the sails are up, it's akin to stirring treacle with a stick.
The Moody wasn't one of them.
Al Dickson
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Thanks I take your point - these days I have a wife, 10 & 12 year old and 2 dogs who turn up whenever I want to go out.
I guess that's why a self tacking jib is no no longer an object of ridicule !
The fact that it comes with a fully battened main as standard did appeal - especially if it works as well as the one with roller bearing cars on the Southerly we tried ... and there is always a Gennaker option.
Oh dear i'm starting to talk myself into this ...
jonic
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Hmm with an endorsement like that from flaming I'm getting quite interested.
I went on her again today, and I have to say as a long distance cruising family with two very young children she ticks a lot of boxes for us.
Update on the Gunfleet, I was quoted £499,000 for the one at the show.
On second viewing she was just as impressive.
Also had a look at the X yacht xc45. Very nice but still half a million.
snooks
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Don't go on the Southerly 42 then John! You'll want one of those too. A raised saloon with a long lifting keel.
After spending 3 months of last year inside Pixie I realised early on that in bad weather or when it's cold outside, we could been anywhere in the world and I would have been none the wiser!
So if a boat has big windows it would be nice to look out of them
After spending 3 months of last year inside Pixie I realised early on that in bad weather or when it's cold outside, we could been anywhere in the world and I would have been none the wiser!
So if a boat has big windows it would be nice to look out of them
Kurrawong_Kid
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That's why we have invested in a spayhood/allover cockpit canopy recently with lots of "windows". So far very pleased and somewhat cheaper than changing the boat!Don't go on the Southerly 42 then John! You'll want one of those too. A raised saloon with a long lifting keel.
After spending 3 months of last year inside Pixie I realised early on that in bad weather or when it's cold outside, we could been anywhere in the world and I would have been none the wiser!
So if a boat has big windows it would be nice to look out of them
jonic
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So if a boat has big windows it would be nice to look out of them
I went on this yesterday. It's got bl***y big windows and a bridge like the starship enterprise (Its the Nordhavn 56 motor sailor). I have stayed in smaller hotel rooms than the aft cabin
Twister_Ken
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I went on this yesterday. It's got bl***y big windows and a bridge like the starship enterprise (Its the Nordhavn 56 motor sailor). I have stayed in smaller hotel rooms than the aft cabin
Blimey. Looks like something operated by Cunard.
jonic
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3000 mile range on engine alone.
Blueboatman
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Some extraordinary high end choices available. Wow.
Something of a traditionalist myself, I have just spent 20 minutes wading thru the Gunfleet www and pics. Some pedigree there! Is 500k so much for ' that quality of concept and execution ? I think it is amazing but might be put off/ or not/ by the high helm. Good luck to em.
We've come a long way from living in damp dark caves, eh!
Something of a traditionalist myself, I have just spent 20 minutes wading thru the Gunfleet www and pics. Some pedigree there! Is 500k so much for ' that quality of concept and execution ? I think it is amazing but might be put off/ or not/ by the high helm. Good luck to em.
We've come a long way from living in damp dark caves, eh!
jonic
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Went back again with swmbo today. I really want it. Please buy about 250,000 copies of swmbo's book.
Thanks to flaming for the info on the Moody over lunch. A thoroughly nice chap.
Elessar
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58 tonnes I believe. So not far off. But I really like it (for it's intended use).