Thinking Of Going To Scotland.

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Divemaster1 said:
A pleasure...

Please do consider a properly reconditioned TMD 30 / 31 / 32 .., which is a four cylinder... as well as the 2.5 L Ford Transit engine and some of the Nanni diesels based on Toyota blocks, plus the mercruiser (CMD) 4 cylinder... should be much cheaper than Steyr, and parts perhaps more readily available... If you buy a new engine you will seriously struggle to get your money back at time of sale ... and for the money you spend, you may as well consider a different boat along the lines of hlb's suggestions..
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I have been window shopping for engines for ages but not come across nanni before. The point regarding spares is a very good one. Just had a look at Peachments website and will call them later.

hlb - just looked at the vid and I have stood on Land's End looking at Longships and always wondered whether boats go round the outside or not. Looks like you went round the outside.

I know people often say that bigger is usually better but I know people often go pretty far out fishing in boats less than 20'. Are they mad or do they just watch the weather and run for home if it gets choppy. Having a boat that can handle a bit of chop is different to setting out in a big chop or going to look for some.

I take the point on planning as well and would look to go from safe haven to safe haven unless conditions allowed me to miss one or two out.

thanks again for all these replies. My faith in my little Scandinavian lady is restored
 
arthor said:
hlb - just looked at the vid and I have stood on Land's End looking at Longships and always wondered whether boats go round the outside or not. Looks like you went round the outside.

I know people often say that bigger is usually better but I know people often go pretty far out fishing in boats less than 20'. Are they mad or do they just watch the weather and run for home if it gets choppy. Having a boat that can handle a bit of chop is different to setting out in a big chop or going to look for some.

I take the point on planning as well and would look to go from safe haven to safe haven unless conditions allowed me to miss one or two out.

thanks again for all these replies. My faith in my little Scandinavian lady is restored
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Theres alot of difference cruising, than just going out fishing, there are headlands to pass, with overfalls and you cant hit them all at the right time.

Weather forcasts are still iffy and you cant just scoot back, when your 50/60 miles away.
 
Arthor;
Do some research on passage planning; you need to know tidal streams (tide atlas or chart), tide times (tide table), distances(chart), weather forecast, your boat's typical average speed (in a range of conditions of wind, waves & tides), fuel consumption (again in a range of conditions).

Consider where you can EASILY get to, what bolt holes you could use in the event of a weather change or gear failure. Have plenty of "finger food" & drinks available (there is a high probability that no-one will want to go below to cook). Have plenty of layers of clothing plus good waterproofs, lifejackets & harnesses.

Minimum eqt is a decent anchor & chain, VHF, flares, charts, tide table, torch, spare fuel & oil, echo sounder & the ability to use them.

You could just go & take a chance, but that is exactly what it will be. The above basics will allow you to manage the situation when things are not as you wish them to be (which is usually from about 30 mins into a trip!)
 
Searush said:
Arthor;
Do some research on passage planning; you need to know tidal streams (tide atlas or chart), tide times (tide table), distances(chart), weather forecast, your boat's typical average speed (in a range of conditions of wind, waves & tides), fuel consumption (again in a range of conditions).

Consider where you can EASILY get to, what bolt holes you could use in the event of a weather change or gear failure. Have plenty of "finger food" & drinks available (there is a high probability that no-one will want to go below to cook). Have plenty of layers of clothing plus good waterproofs, lifejackets & harnesses.

Minimum eqt is a decent anchor & chain, VHF, flares, charts, tide table, torch, spare fuel & oil, echo sounder & the ability to use them.

You could just go & take a chance, but that is exactly what it will be. The above basics will allow you to manage the situation when things are not as you wish them to be (which is usually from about 30 mins into a trip!)
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Or just have a boat that can cope with a few tidal changes and cope with a bit of sea.

Did you like the new vid. It was done in a bit of a rush. Most places dont allow music anymore.

Options are limited, first theres getting up time, which conflicts with tide times. Then there is SHMBO makup time, which conflics with gate closeing times. Getting out time has to be go go time.
 
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Thank you for that Haydn. With your Princess & experience that's fine. But I know how good your boat is & how well you can manouvre her.

While I do not want to frighten Arthor, I think he needs to be a little better prepared than a salty old sea dog like yourself in MF. Both he & his boat need a bit of preparation for serious passage making. It isn't inherently "dangerous" but it should not be approached too casually either! His boat, like mine is a displacement speed vessel only so tides are critical - a colleague met 6.5 kts of tide off Carmel Head (nr Holyhead) at the weekend.

I have only seen the first vid so far, my so-called broadband isn't that much faster than a sailboat sailing against wind & tide! But that showed you were bashing thro' some conditions that a small displacement boat might struggle with!
 
Vids were great. Thanks for all the advice. It will be a good while before we even stick our noses out into the N. Sea. This is our first boat but I have always wanted to build. There are lots of things I would like to do to ours as a sort of project and I just wanted to look at the long term worth of it all against up sizing in a few years. What is sensible doesn't always apply when boats are concerned. Don't to get rid if she "will do". Don't want to spend on her if "she won't do". Someone once said don't get a bigger boat than you need. If my Fjord 27 will be ok for some coast hugging, photography, sea fishing with the occasional well planned and timed adventure then I would like to devote some time effort and money on her.
Has anyone done the following in a smaller boat?
Channel Islands?
Scillies?
Circumnav UK?
Wales to Ireland?
English Channel?

PS Have looked at a Cytra 38 as an unfinished project that will probably be a better bet and we would still be able to play on this one. Anyone know anything about them?

Many thanks again folks. (no I'm not like that looney going round and round at Sheerness. I will do all the RYA stuff as soon as we get towards saltwater for a start)
 
Round UK has been done on a windsurfer - with a support boat just in case.


Look up "Celtic Challenge", 20 teams race across the Irish Sea in open rowing boats - 4 oars + cox. Fastest team took 15 hours for the 90 miles, that's 6kts average.

Ben Carlin crossed the Atlantic in "half-safe" his war surplus amphibious jeep.

Anything is possible with suitable preparation & execution.
 
hlb said:
A forumite went round the UK in a Merry Fisher, about 20ft I think.......
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Got around as well... single outboard... The Fjord 27 (earlier Selco) is perfectly capbable of the journey ... Time, a reliable engine, passage planning and appropriate equipment is key!! ... Is she an aft cockpit or aft cabin?
 
Got around as well... single outboard...
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Well he got round. Some fool stunt for the RNLI, which earned little money.

But then lost all interest in boats. Dont blame him really.

Arny went round at the same time we moved from Plymouth to Conway. The weather was horrid and he could only move in a F3 or less.

I suppose you could get round the UK with water wings, but would you do it again and again??

The idea is to cruise in some sort of comfort and want to do it again and again. It's just about visiting places, not an endurance test. Though even with a good boat, it can still be a challenge.
 
Divemaster1 said:
A pleasure...

Please do consider a properly reconditioned TMD 30 / 31 / 32 ..,
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They like Rocking Horse Manure;)

For 3 years I have searched for one
In the end I have virtually re built mine!

Also for an aged Scandanavian 27 footer

A 1984 Nimbus

Which in my ownership plus the previous owner has been to France, Ireland the IOM and all places about the Irish sea.

If I Was, going to stick another lump in it would a Nanni (Toyota based) not another green un!
 
hlb said:
Last time we did it was Umm, 15 years ago. Pwelhelli, puffwelly umm , well anyway. We went. Puff welly to Duglas IOM, Then. To Port Partric.
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Cor Blimey
It beggers belief how you have ever got anywhere:p
It's PWLLHELI
DOUGLAS
PORT PATRICK
Anyway
When are you thinking of getting underway?
I know of a good place for 'Bunkering'

About 15 miles from yer home Port
Where there is fuel available (well unless Philiz has knicked it , havent checked lately) for the trip North.
But I need a weeks notice to sort out the bowser;)
 
I'm not that good at the spelling, but the tragectory seems to go about right. MF is like a homeing piggion and knows where shes going. However her fuel at your house seems to have it's own mind.. I watched a guy filing his car with cooking oil today, before topping up with diesel.

WE have a bit more room for more juice, maybe another fifty gallons.

Organise the juice and give us a price.
 
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