Thinking of changing my boat - advice needed

If she wanted to wash her feet, you should have installed a bidet :rolleyes:

The foot bath was automatic via the leaky dinghy on the row out to the boat. I'm sure Gwenth Paltrow could give it a catchy name and a cold salt water, soggy foot bath would be en vogue and in high demand!
 
The late John Leather designed some beautiful day oats that you could stand to the tiller with pleanty of space to layout a picnic usually with an inboard,Unfortunatly gaff rigged with three sails and needing a mooring
 
Beneteau First 210 / 211 or it’s variants. Again may have some of the plumbing things but you can always remove.
You beat me to it!
The First 211s that I have been on were used for sail training, for which they are well regarded, as they have a decent -sized cockpit, are nimble and have a good turn of speed, which is attractive to those moving up from dinghies. The interior arrangements are very simple, with a full interior moulding that is very easy to keep clean.
There is space to sleep four, if necessary, and a cubicle in which you can put a Porta-Potti, (do remember to strap it down :) ), so no W.C. plumbing required. There is a small sink, fed from a 35litre tank, via a hand pump/tap. The outlet seacock would require attention from time to time, and the tank would require flushing annually. There is a space to mount a small stove. A spirit stove, such as an Origo is simplicity itself.
The OP expressed a desire that there should not be a traveller in the cockpit of his potential boat; as designed, the mainsheet of the these boats is attached to a padeye in the centre of the cockpit sole, and some owners will have converted to a traveller. IMHO a traveller across the middle of the cockpit is not a problem. It was a feature of most of the boats I have ever sailed on and I have only tripped over one once:)
The lifting keel is also an area that will require occasional maintenance, and if the OP is not in a position to sail on and off his mooring/pontoon and his trailer, an outboard will be required, also necessitating maintenance.
My advice the OP, whatever boat he chooses, is to join a club, particularly one where there is a spirit of volunteerism etc., where he can muck in with general work around the clubhouse and boatpark/yard, and help other members with jobs on their boats, thereby learning skills, and he will in his turn be helped and advised by other members.
OTOH, there is always the alternative of paying the boatyard to do all the work.
 
You beat me to it!
The First 211s that I have been on were used for sail training, for which they are well regarded, as they have a decent -sized cockpit, are nimble and have a good turn of speed, which is attractive to those moving up from dinghies. The interior arrangements are very simple, with a full interior moulding that is very easy to keep clean.
There is space to sleep four, if necessary, and a cubicle in which you can put a Porta-Potti, (do remember to strap it down :) ), so no W.C. plumbing required. There is a small sink, fed from a 35litre tank, via a hand pump/tap. The outlet seacock would require attention from time to time, and the tank would require flushing annually. There is a space to mount a small stove. A spirit stove, such as an Origo is simplicity itself.
The OP expressed a desire that there should not be a traveller in the cockpit of his potential boat; as designed, the mainsheet of the these boats is attached to a padeye in the centre of the cockpit sole, and some owners will have converted to a traveller. IMHO a traveller across the middle of the cockpit is not a problem. It was a feature of most of the boats I have ever sailed on and I have only tripped over one once:)
The lifting keel is also an area that will require occasional maintenance, and if the OP is not in a position to sail on and off his mooring/pontoon and his trailer, an outboard will be required, also necessitating maintenance.
My advice the OP, whatever boat he chooses, is to join a club, particularly one where there is a spirit of volunteerism etc., where he can muck in with general work around the clubhouse and boatpark/yard, and help other members with jobs on their boats, thereby learning skills, and he will in his turn be helped and advised by other members.
OTOH, there is always the alternative of paying the boatyard to do all the work.
Thank you for your very detailed reply :)
 
If what you want is more cockpit space, and you really don't want cabin, then how about a Squib?. Same hull as a Europa but not cabin so loads more cockpit.
You dismissed a Drascombe, quite rightly in my view as they are horrible, however a mizzen really is no bother, ignore it , leave it at home , or play with it. They don't make the boat any faster but are great for making the boat sit head to wind at anchor or when mackerel fishing.
Are you trailer sailing or mooring, and where are you sailing?
 
If what you want is more cockpit space, and you really don't want cabin, then how about a Squib?. Same hull as a Europa but not cabin so loads more cockpit.
You dismissed a Drascombe, quite rightly in my view as they are horrible, however a mizzen really is no bother, ignore it , leave it at home , or play with it. They don't make the boat any faster but are great for making the boat sit head to wind at anchor or when mackerel fishing.
Are you trailer sailing or mooring, and where are you sailing?
Thanks for the suggestion but a Squib doesn't meet many of my requirements; it's the same size as my Europa and I'm looking for bigger, it's got a low long boom, it has a traveler in the middle of the cockpit, they're also not particularly comfortable for cruising in as they haven't got a proper cockpit
 
If what you want is more cockpit space, and you really don't want cabin, then how about a Squib?. Same hull as a Europa but not cabin so loads more cockpit.
You dismissed a Drascombe, quite rightly in my view as they are horrible, however a mizzen really is no bother, ignore it , leave it at home , or play with it. They don't make the boat any faster but are great for making the boat sit head to wind at anchor or when mackerel fishing.
Are you trailer sailing or mooring, and where are you sailing?
In answer to your questions, I'm on a swing mooring in north west kent
 
Thanks for the suggestion but a Squib doesn't meet many of my requirements; it's the same size as my Europa and I'm looking for bigger, it's got a low long boom, it has a traveler in the middle of the cockpit, they're also not particularly comfortable for cruising in as they haven't got a proper cockpit
Not very safe either. Get caught in a gust and a few have gone down like a brick.We lost one at Stone Sailing Club 5 years ago ( Mine nearly went in the same puff) & inspite of trawling for it, no one has ever found it. Those that go down in the Crouch usually get recovered fairly easily. But in any event, one needs to be able to swim :rolleyes:
 
a loo doesn’t really need any maintenance tbh - a new joker valve every season or two and that’s about it really. Think we replaced the whole pump workings on our jobbyjabsco once in around 10 years.

To be blunt, if you have no DIY skills, owning a boat is probably not for you - there is always something needing attention.

Perhaps join a sailing club where you can borrow club boats? Or go on a Med charter each year?
With all respect to the OP I agree. How can anyone go sailing without any DIY skills. Boats ALWAYS need attention. Even in the simplest of dinghies things need fixing/tightening/mending from time to time. Dismissing a boat because it’s got a toilet installed seems bizarre to me. A spirit stove is hardly high tech.
 
Have you thought of, possibly, an Etap 22i or 21i - both should be obtainable at the top end of your budget. They do have loos, but they can be easily done away with as I have done - I just have a Porta-Potti which keeps the missus happy. Only plumbing is for a small sink with a hand pump so all basic uncomplicated stuff, just the one seacock to maintain. Well built boats and unsinkable by virtue of the twin foam construction, which also keeps them well insulated and dry. Good size cockpit. Not exactly a day boat, ie you wouldn't want to launch each time you sail, but as you have a mooring that is unlikely to be a problem. Easy to launch and recover onto a suitable trailer.

Swallow boats would also be worth a look but they may be out of your price range.
 
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