There's a new MAGNUM on the way

[Magnum]

Magnum - do you have any crew (except the wife) or do it all by yourself? I wonder up to what size boat I could easily handle on my own. I could be tempted to go from my current 50ft to say 65ft in 5 years time (when the volvo warranty runs out). Obv the ropes are heavier but other than that is it all manageable by yourself?

Tony we do everything ourselves. Actually let me rephrase that. I do almost everything myself, but with Emma onboard Mrs Magnum has her hands full.

The only issue really is cleaning. It takes me 1 1/2 days to do properly which can get tiresome.

Other than that handling and lines are a doddle.

 

[Hurricane]

Great Choice
We have just got back from SIBS
The 75 is the only boat we would consider as an upgrade to our current one.
Good luck.

 

[jfm]

Congrats Magnum.

That's one heck of a nice boat. Saloon and flybridge are outstanding in its class. I have looked at the specs and several examples v carefully because obviously BCU have suggested it as a natural upgrade to my current boat. One word of warning is that equipment choice becomes more critical imho on this sized boat and imho you should check the spec and BoM with a fine tooth comb. Do not assume Princess will get it right - they will if you tell them of course, but not if you don't. Eg1 - there is no glendinning. Eg2 - on the 82 with standard build spec the two generators cannot be run together, or to supplement shorepower, and I guess same on 75, so you need to spec auto isolator relays to overcome this. Also consider re-speccing the galley - standard build has excellent amount of sub-zero refrigeration but only 45cm d/washer, 60cm hob and one bachelor-pad oven. Check also the laundry equipment level. You might want more gear than the standard build but its all no big deal so long as you check it out early in the build process

On crew, I am in same place as you - not needed to park+drive the thing but imho definitely needed to run the hotel side of things because there is just too much cleaning acre-age, laundry and cheffing.

I expect you will have the sleipner curved fins (brilliant things) but howsabout speccing a gyro too? Mainly for badassery but would be good at anchor. Think I'll be doing this on next boat.

 

[Eren]

Congrats with the new boat!

In addition to JFM's notes, I would also upgrade with stronger windlass, heavier and better anchor, longer chain. This will give you better sleeps at anchor especially if you plan to use the boat in the Med. Boat manufacturers tend to use the equipment that is just as much as needed or even slightly less than required, just as had been in your pasarelle case. Anchoring equipment is another point that they are doing it.

 

[Hurricane]

Congrats Magnum.

That's one heck of a nice boat. Saloon and flybridge are outstanding in its class. I have looked at the specs and several examples v carefully because obviously BCU have suggested it as a natural upgrade to my current boat. One word of warning is that equipment choice becomes more critical imho on this sized boat and imho you should check the spec and BoM with a fine tooth comb. Do not assume Princess will get it right - they will if you tell them of course, but not if you don't. Eg1 - there is no glendinning. Eg2 - on the 82 with standard build spec the two generators cannot be run together, or to supplement shorepower, and I guess same on 75, so you need to spec auto isolator relays to overcome this. Also consider re-speccing the galley - standard build has excellent amount of sub-zero refrigeration but only 45cm d/washer, 60cm hob and one bachelor-pad oven. Check also the laundry equipment level. You might want more gear than the standard build but its all no big deal so long as you check it out early in the build process

On crew, I am in same place as you - not needed to park+drive the thing but imho definitely needed to run the hotel side of things because there is just too much cleaning acre-age, laundry and cheffing.

I expect you will have the sleipner curved fins (brilliant things) but howsabout speccing a gyro too? Mainly for badassery but would be good at anchor. Think I'll be doing this on next boat.

A small comment on the current Princess spec (and in answer to a previous thread)
Princess are now shipping Planus toilets as standard.
More info on my toilet upgrade thread.
However, Magnum might like to try and have the pipework upgraded to Butyl rubber.

 

[MapisM]

over the last 13 years

Do you mean that you've been boating for 13 years, and bought 5 Princess plus the Predator and the CNB (unless I'm missing some others!) in such timeframe? If so, I guess this has to be a forum record of some sort...
Regardless, congratulations. A great boat, by the look of her! :encouragement:

 

[Magnum]

Congrats Magnum.

That's one heck of a nice boat. Saloon and flybridge are outstanding in its class. I have looked at the specs and several examples v carefully because obviously BCU have suggested it as a natural upgrade to my current boat. One word of warning is that equipment choice becomes more critical imho on this sized boat and imho you should check the spec and BoM with a fine tooth comb. Do not assume Princess will get it right - they will if you tell them of course, but not if you don't. Eg1 - there is no glendinning. Eg2 - on the 82 with standard build spec the two generators cannot be run together, or to supplement shorepower, and I guess same on 75, so you need to spec auto isolator relays to overcome this. Also consider re-speccing the galley - standard build has excellent amount of sub-zero refrigeration but only 45cm d/washer, 60cm hob and one bachelor-pad oven. Check also the laundry equipment level. You might want more gear than the standard build but its all no big deal so long as you check it out early in the build process

On crew, I am in same place as you - not needed to park+drive the thing but imho definitely needed to run the hotel side of things because there is just too much cleaning acre-age, laundry and cheffing.

I expect you will have the sleipner curved fins (brilliant things) but howsabout speccing a gyro too? Mainly for badassery but would be good at anchor. Think I'll be doing this on next boat.

Thanks jfm. Re: equipment, point taken. A 75cm hob would be useful but fitting one would have an effect on storage and/or appliances fitted adjacent. Storage perhaps not such a biggy but to the left of the hob is a nice 12 bottle wine cooler which I would not want to sacrifice.

I'm not sure about Glendinning. Yes it's a very neat and convenient solution but at the expense of surprisingly large volume for the internal drum(s). On balance I'd rather have the extra storage space/less clutter.

The Sleipner fins are a no-brainer and I've been blown away by their effectiveness on the 68. The 75 uses VF1050s and the 68 VF800s which I believe corresponds to the fin area of 1.05 m2 and 0.8 m2 respectively. Quite a size difference between the two. You are right they are not quite as efficient as a gyro at anchor, but they still work very well and as I'm having them anyway I'll pocket the £78K and extra space that not speccing a gyro too gives me.

I am however keen on anything else that offers badassery

 

[Magnum]

A small comment on the current Princess spec (and in answer to a previous thread)
Princess are now shipping Planus toilets as standard.
More info on my toilet upgrade thread.
However, Magnum might like to try and have the pipework upgraded to Butyl rubber.

.... and they are without doubt the best loos we have ever had fitted.

 

[Magnum]

Do you mean that you've been boating for 13 years, and bought 5 Princess plus the Predator and the CNB (unless I'm missing some others!) in such timeframe? If so, I guess this has to be a forum record of some sort...
Regardless, congratulations. A great boat, by the look of her! :encouragement:

Just a Cougar R8 RIB "Magnum Force"

 

[Magnum]

Congrats with the new boat!

In addition to JFM's notes, I would also upgrade with stronger windlass, heavier and better anchor, longer chain. This will give you better sleeps at anchor especially if you plan to use the boat in the Med. Boat manufacturers tend to use the equipment that is just as much as needed or even slightly less than required, just as had been in your pasarelle case. Anchoring equipment is another point that they are doing it.

Agreed re: anchor and chain. I'm looking at an 80KG Ultra as the standard anchor is a rather weedy 50KG Lewmar. We have a 60KG Ultra on our 68 and it's amazing. I've never felt any Princess had an under powered windlass though.

 

[jrudge]

The glending cable master is well worth thinking about. Whilst neighbours heave heavy cables you push a button. Yes they take space but so does a load of cable !

 

[Hurricane]

Agreed re: anchor and chain. I'm looking at an 80KG Ultra as the standard anchor is a rather weedy 50KG Lewmar. We have a 60KG Ultra on our 68 and it's amazing. I've never felt any Princess had an under powered windlass though.

I agree with Eren
Get them to fit a V8 and a good chain lock

This was MYAG's setup.

Two anchors would be good but not essential - he used Bruce anchors of different sizes - one stowing inside the other.
But, I agree the Ultra is good and an 80Kg would be massive!!!
But drive it from a V8

 

[Eren]

Get them to fit a V8 and a good chain lock

+1

I won't be surprised if Princess (or any other manufacturer nowadays) will happily let her go out of the production line with a V6 windlass as standard. But the correct size for this boat is V8, as Hurricane suggests. Upgrading windlass later on is a mess as the cabling all the way to the batteries should be upgraded as well.

+1 for Ultra anchor as well. The difference between Delta and Ultra was like day and night.

 

[MapisM]

Two anchors would be good but not essential

I fully agree that calling a two anchors setup essential would be quite a stretch.
That said, if I were speccing a brand new boat of that size, I would prefer that and two good anchors, rather than a single winch/anchor setup, even if with an excellent anchor.

Deploying both is maybe just useful in a couple of occasions out of one hundred, but you can't do that unless you've got the rigging, to start with... And that's on top of a full redundancy.
It does add weight upfront though, and the boat might not like it.
I half recall MYAG telling that his boat was a tad slower than other sisterships because of that.

 

[jfm]

Thanks jfm. Re: equipment, point taken. A 75cm hob would be useful but fitting one would have an effect on storage and/or appliances fitted adjacent. Storage perhaps not such a biggy but to the left of the hob is a nice 12 bottle wine cooler which I would not want to sacrifice.

I'm not sure about Glendinning. Yes it's a very neat and convenient solution but at the expense of surprisingly large volume for the internal drum(s). On balance I'd rather have the extra storage space/less clutter.

The Sleipner fins are a no-brainer and I've been blown away by their effectiveness on the 68. The 75 uses VF1050s and the 68 VF800s which I believe corresponds to the fin area of 1.05 m2 and 0.8 m2 respectively. Quite a size difference between the two. You are right they are not quite as efficient as a gyro at anchor, but they still work very well and as I'm having them anyway I'll pocket the £78K and extra space that not speccing a gyro too gives me.

I am however keen on anything else that offers badassery

I don't see how you can do proper meals without 2x meile ovens and a >60cm induction hob. A big induction hob has a big power factor and that's why you need Princess to wire the boat so you can run both generators occasionally. Wine cooler is nice but surely not in the P75 galley where space is at a real premium - it can go somewhere else.

If you don't get glendinning you'll be limited to 63 amp yellow cable. The 100amp cable is simply too heavy to coil up by hand and needs glendinning (3x 25mm sq cores plus the outer sheath). I have TWO glendinning CM8s; they're not that hard to fit. But one would be fine.

Yes the sleipners are awesome and incredibly well made and reliable. I have the 1050s too and my brother just fitted same to his Aquastar 74. They are near-silent even when you're close to them in the master cabin. You'll have the sleipner hydraulic pack so you can spec hydraulic thrusters and anchor winch too. I'd also spec as an option the ability to run anchor winch off the electric hydraulic pump - allows you to shut down the main engines earlier when docking.

I'm in 2 minds about 2 anchors (!). I can see the attraction but I know I would never deploy two together, so one of them would be back up. (Reason for not deploying 2 is that if I'm that worried about slippage then the last thing I want is 2 anchors to retrieve before I can get the hell out of there. My approach to bad weather is you need to be more worried getting out than staying put). Risk of failure is incredibly small when you have a hydraulic single winch with manual over rides on valves and 3 x hydraulic pumps (as you'll get with the sleipner set up). For me it would need to be 2x Ultra-style anchors, not Bruces pocketed together, and that's hard to do on a 24m boat without heavy mods to the mouldings and some potential ugliness. In short, if I did a princess 75 I'd have a single anchor but very well specc-ed. I do respect the view of those who prefer 2 anchors though

What are you going to do with the aft flybridge deck? Crane for extra toys? Or just sunbeds?

I would revisit Princess's layout for the ceiling downlighters in the hard top. You need zones and dimmers because you need to create the right mood up there for night time dinners etc. I ignored Fairline's HT lighting layout and started afresh, with ~2x the number of fixtures. You've probably reaches same conclusion having lived with the p68 standard spec hard top lighting. Also consider whether the LED light fixtures throughout the boat make the grade and are the colour you want

On badassery, spec the top u/w lights and take them down the sides )) I'd post some new pics but for the photobucket thing

 

[Hurricane]

Over the years, I've mellowed my view about cranes and storing tenders.
It was a big issue when buying the P67 to be able to get the tender out of the way - up on the FB.
Now that we store (most of the time during cruising) the Novurania on the bathing platform, I don't see the issue as important.
However, it would be nice to have a crane - if the price wasn't a consideration, I would allow space on the FB for a crane.

The big one for us though would be a show stopper.
We have discussed this (on the P75) before on here - and that is internal stairs.
I'm afraid a boat without an internal staircase just wouldn't do it for us.
So, the mod to the P75 that I would suggest is significant.
I would explore the possibility of moving the owners staircase aft - to go down between the dinette and the saloon - then in the owners cabin, I would swap the wardrobes with the (now) stairs winding from above. There would need to be some careful design work around the access to the owners bathroom but I think it would be do-able. Whilst we are talking bathrooms, I would have a bath in the owners bathroom.
Assuming that this staircase was possible to move, I would then like to see it continuing to wind through the saloon/dinette up to the flybridge.
Boats these days seem to be really open but I quite like the idea of splitting the area into dinette and saloon and having separate areas divided by the stairs.
So, this staircase winding all the way from the accommodation deck to the flybridge works for me.
Princess have, in the past been able to construct a good looking winding staircase.
I've posted this before but this is ours (Magnum has owned a P67 in the past so has had one of these as well)

Anyway, as I say, I think this mod would be too significant for Princess to achieve

 

[jfm]

Hurricane it's interesting you have come round to not loving putting the tender up top. I agree with you - life is simpler just to shove it on the swim platform. By the way I have a photo of another p67 with big tender on the fly - will post when photo hosting is sorted.

I agree 100% with you on internal stairs. 7 years on from first having them on my first sq78, I (and crew) still appreciate their benefits every time we use the boat, especially when getting food from galley to fly dining table. I am perplexed that the market has accepted their deletion on so many 24m boats. Ferretti still have them on several models and the new 24m Fairline (in a few years) has them on the design drawings. I have studied p75 for this and it can be done, but involves a lot of head scratching. It's easier on p82. I have dims and stuff worked out to do it without moving the p75 owners cabin staircase, and I would do it one of two ways. The stairs could be longitudinally above the island unit section of the galley, with you walking aftwards as you ascend. Rather like my s78 stairs, and made in a "floating" look so you can see through them. Or they could be athwartships in a space twixt galley and saloon sofa that you would make by making the sofa bend 90 degrees and scrapping that cupboard and the angled position of the glass screen and generally rebuilding everything in that area (with you walking outboard as you ascend the stairs) I would widen the kitchen island unit (rebuild it) so that it takes standard 60cm domestic appliances (its only 40cm in the standard build, doh) then all the dishwasher/oven/wine cooler problems are solved at a stroke because at 60cm wide/deep all these items will go in the island unit. Princess gave me an indicative price and it was big!

 

[MapisM]

I'm in 2 minds about 2 anchors (!). I can see the attraction but I know I would never deploy two together, so one of them would be back up. (Reason for not deploying 2 is that if I'm that worried about slippage then the last thing I want is 2 anchors to retrieve before I can get the hell out of there. My approach to bad weather is you need to be more worried getting out than staying put).

Far from claiming to have a vast experience of anchoring with 2 hooks and lines ashore, but the few times I did that, it was always the deployment maneuver that has been tricky.
Pulling two anchors is almost as easy as with one. It just takes a bit more time of course, but not much, because at the beginning of the recovery maneuver you can pull both at the same time - hence actually reducing the risk of being blown ashore, while you are at that.
Otoh, I agree that if I should spec two anchors on bow rollers (as opposed to pockets, which eliminate the problem by design) I would not want either of them to be in the way of the other one.

 

[MapisM]

I agree 100% with you on internal stairs.

+2.
I think it's fair to say that this is also another non-essential feature, though.
In fact, I've seen several boats with two stairs in my search, and I very much liked that feature, but eventually went for one which only has the external one - albeit a very convenient and large one.

One thing that I fail to understand is why, in the quest for additional space, most builders seem to think that the must have stair is the one from the cockpit.
Already decades ago, there were boats around with only one stair designed (imho) in the most clever way, i.e. internally, but next to the side door (in order to avoid walking through the saloon with wet and salty feet.
And I'm talking of builders like Canados, SL, etc. - not Mickey Mouse boats...

 

[Hurricane]

+2.
I think it's fair to say that this is also another non-essential feature, though.

Nop - definitely essential - when we are at sea, we ONLY use the internal stairs.
It is actually safer - not having people wandering around the cockpit where you can't see them.
Much better to close the patio doors and the hatch between the cockpit and the FB - then everyone stays safely together.