Gunfleet
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but since they are threatening to make yacht radio licenses free, should I send them a £20 contribution or should I hold off, awaiting developments?
The yearly begging letter from Ofcom has arrived
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IanPoole2
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It's only £20 - I'd pay it just in case?
On the other hand if they do abolish it then you've lost the equivalent of 10 pints - or a good night out!
On the other hand if they do abolish it then you've lost the equivalent of 10 pints - or a good night out!
Gunfleet
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Ten pints for £20? Where's that pub? I think you lost count after the fourth or fifth.
TigaWave
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£2.00 a pint down here in Saltash, or it was on Tuesday night..for Bass and Betty Stoggs.
StephenSails
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10 pints, you mean 6!
jhr
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Olde Moore\'s Crystal Balls predict............
At the moment, lifetime free vessel licenses are (a) just a proposal and (b) being consulted about. This means that there will be five years of arguing about it, three Commons Select Committees will be convened, and a Royal Commission of Enquiry held, before any decision is made.
The ultimate conclusion will be that there needs to be some kind of annual check made on which craft have short range radio equipment, hence a yearly re-registration process will be necessary. As this will involve some cost, there will need to be an annual charge like, erm, twenty quid.
I'm being a bit tongue in cheek, but I suspect it will take a couple of years to resolve this and (hopefully) to conclude that free, lifetime vessel licences are the way to go. In the meantime, I'd just cough up, if I were you.
At the moment, lifetime free vessel licenses are (a) just a proposal and (b) being consulted about. This means that there will be five years of arguing about it, three Commons Select Committees will be convened, and a Royal Commission of Enquiry held, before any decision is made.
The ultimate conclusion will be that there needs to be some kind of annual check made on which craft have short range radio equipment, hence a yearly re-registration process will be necessary. As this will involve some cost, there will need to be an annual charge like, erm, twenty quid.
I'm being a bit tongue in cheek, but I suspect it will take a couple of years to resolve this and (hopefully) to conclude that free, lifetime vessel licences are the way to go. In the meantime, I'd just cough up, if I were you.
Mike_Martin
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Implementation will take at least a year, more likely 18 months from the end of the consultation.
Mike
Mike
Phoenix of Hamble
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Implementation will take at least a year, more likely 18 months from the end of the consultation.
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This typifies my frustration with British Governments......
If projects took this long in the commercial world, then we'll all be riding around on bloody penny farthings still.....
What really pisses me off, is that people think its acceptable for projects to take this long..........
IMHO... a decision should be made, it should be implemented in 3 months, and a project manager appointed to make it happen whose ar*e is on the line if it doesn't..... Fat chance... instead another governmental department will spend countless thousands/millions dragging it out for a year or more so that folks like us can have the pleasure of paying more tax..... pah......
Implementation will take at least a year, more likely 18 months from the end of the consultation.
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This typifies my frustration with British Governments......
If projects took this long in the commercial world, then we'll all be riding around on bloody penny farthings still.....
What really pisses me off, is that people think its acceptable for projects to take this long..........
IMHO... a decision should be made, it should be implemented in 3 months, and a project manager appointed to make it happen whose ar*e is on the line if it doesn't..... Fat chance... instead another governmental department will spend countless thousands/millions dragging it out for a year or more so that folks like us can have the pleasure of paying more tax..... pah......
Mike_Martin
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Re: Olde Moore\'s Crystal Balls predict............
Although, this appears to be a proposal, it is fully expected that the consultation will back up what Ofcom wants to do. Which is to move to a less involved system.
The only possible hitch is that the MCA is not as trusting as OFCOM in that they don't think Pleasure Boat owners will bother to update details as required by the new system.
Mike
Although, this appears to be a proposal, it is fully expected that the consultation will back up what Ofcom wants to do. Which is to move to a less involved system.
The only possible hitch is that the MCA is not as trusting as OFCOM in that they don't think Pleasure Boat owners will bother to update details as required by the new system.
Mike
Mike_Martin
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If projects took this long in the commercial world, then we'll all be riding around on bloody penny farthings still.....
What really pisses me off, is that people think its acceptable for projects to take this long..........
IMHO... a decision should be made, it should be implemented in 3 months, and a project manager appointed to make it happen whose ar*e is on the line if it doesn't..... Fat chance... instead another governmental department will spend countless thousands/millions dragging it out for a year or more so that folks like us can have the pleasure of paying more tax..... pah......
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Ha ha it must be lovely being able to be this cynical about everything that you don't have to do. This change is not just about changing what you see of the system but must ensure that it correctly replaces the international arrangements that have been in place for many years and UK must meet.
Therefore it must been done properly. In your particular Industry you must not have heard the phrase under-promise - over deliver.
However, worth pointing out that when extant licences no longer require renewal the licensee will be informed. This will happen prior to the replacement system being put in place.
Mike
If projects took this long in the commercial world, then we'll all be riding around on bloody penny farthings still.....
What really pisses me off, is that people think its acceptable for projects to take this long..........
IMHO... a decision should be made, it should be implemented in 3 months, and a project manager appointed to make it happen whose ar*e is on the line if it doesn't..... Fat chance... instead another governmental department will spend countless thousands/millions dragging it out for a year or more so that folks like us can have the pleasure of paying more tax..... pah......
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Ha ha it must be lovely being able to be this cynical about everything that you don't have to do. This change is not just about changing what you see of the system but must ensure that it correctly replaces the international arrangements that have been in place for many years and UK must meet.
Therefore it must been done properly. In your particular Industry you must not have heard the phrase under-promise - over deliver.
However, worth pointing out that when extant licences no longer require renewal the licensee will be informed. This will happen prior to the replacement system being put in place.
Mike
bigmart
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Re: Olde Moore\'s Crystal Balls predict............
I hate to agree with them but I have to say that I think the MCA are right.
Overall this may cause the dilution of trust in the information that is held about Licenced boats. As I have said before, I know it is an umpopular view but I think £20.00 is cheap for the safety boost that the service provides. Plus, of course, you may still have been employed by OFCOM.
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I hate to agree with them but I have to say that I think the MCA are right.
Overall this may cause the dilution of trust in the information that is held about Licenced boats. As I have said before, I know it is an umpopular view but I think £20.00 is cheap for the safety boost that the service provides. Plus, of course, you may still have been employed by OFCOM.
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Phoenix of Hamble
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Nope.... but I have heard the phrase under promise, Never deliver /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Seriously, I agree with your sentiments Mike, and I am sure that, like in any industry, the duck is paddling a lot harder under the water than might appear to be the case....
But....
I still think that we have a public sector culture of taking way too long for this type of work, and public sector workers don't face the pressure of JFDI that exists in the commercial world....
If I had a pound for every project i've been given at work with high expectations of quality, and ridiculously short time frames, I'd be wealthy by now..... but they invariably get delivered on time, and to quality expectations... after all... low quality in the commercial sector means no job..... the expectations of acceptable timeframes just seems to be so much shorter than in the public sector.... I guess thats because slow doesn't equate to unemployed..... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
This isn't a critism of the people in the public sector by the way.... that would be shallow and narrow minded... I am certain that there are many many people, in fact the majority, working extremely hard.... I believe the problem is cultural, and therefore the responsibility lays at the top of the tree....
Seriously, I agree with your sentiments Mike, and I am sure that, like in any industry, the duck is paddling a lot harder under the water than might appear to be the case....
But....
I still think that we have a public sector culture of taking way too long for this type of work, and public sector workers don't face the pressure of JFDI that exists in the commercial world....
If I had a pound for every project i've been given at work with high expectations of quality, and ridiculously short time frames, I'd be wealthy by now..... but they invariably get delivered on time, and to quality expectations... after all... low quality in the commercial sector means no job..... the expectations of acceptable timeframes just seems to be so much shorter than in the public sector.... I guess thats because slow doesn't equate to unemployed..... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
This isn't a critism of the people in the public sector by the way.... that would be shallow and narrow minded... I am certain that there are many many people, in fact the majority, working extremely hard.... I believe the problem is cultural, and therefore the responsibility lays at the top of the tree....
Mike_Martin
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But....
I still think that we have a public sector culture of taking way too long for this type of work, and public sector workers don't face the pressure of JFDI that exists in the commercial world....
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You obviously haven't noticed my sig. I was one of the last wave of people who having neared completion of their projects carried over from the RA have now been binned to the greater glory of Ofcom.
I'll counter your point about "slow" with "careful". It is very rare for the perpetrators of an industry cock-up to get dragged in front of a Commons Select Committee or even into the papers whereas in Govt the tiniest little snag is considered "news worthy". As to short-timescales that's what "bonuses" are for!
Ofcom doesn't consider itself to be "Public Sector" despite the fact that it is a Public Corporation set up with Tax Payers' money. So I am sure that you'll see my previous time-scale being at least halved.
Anyway, it is all academic (to me anyway) now.
Mike
But....
I still think that we have a public sector culture of taking way too long for this type of work, and public sector workers don't face the pressure of JFDI that exists in the commercial world....
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You obviously haven't noticed my sig. I was one of the last wave of people who having neared completion of their projects carried over from the RA have now been binned to the greater glory of Ofcom.
I'll counter your point about "slow" with "careful". It is very rare for the perpetrators of an industry cock-up to get dragged in front of a Commons Select Committee or even into the papers whereas in Govt the tiniest little snag is considered "news worthy". As to short-timescales that's what "bonuses" are for!
Ofcom doesn't consider itself to be "Public Sector" despite the fact that it is a Public Corporation set up with Tax Payers' money. So I am sure that you'll see my previous time-scale being at least halved.
Anyway, it is all academic (to me anyway) now.
Mike
Gunfleet
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What are you up to now, Mike?
jerryat
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Hi Capabar,
I'd pay up now. I posted part of a reply from Ofcom on a very recent thread here, which stated that the consultation period was open until September 2005 and that a decision would be made following this date. However, implementation would NOT take place until September 2006 at the earliest!!
Shame, but I'm gonna have to send my cheque off too!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Cheers Jerry
I'd pay up now. I posted part of a reply from Ofcom on a very recent thread here, which stated that the consultation period was open until September 2005 and that a decision would be made following this date. However, implementation would NOT take place until September 2006 at the earliest!!
Shame, but I'm gonna have to send my cheque off too!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Cheers Jerry
Mike_Martin
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Re: Career Break
Well today I have officially reached day 21 of my unemployment, I am treating it as a career break in order to consider my future options.
Mike
Well today I have officially reached day 21 of my unemployment, I am treating it as a career break in order to consider my future options.
Mike
Mike_Martin
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OOps you've got your dates a bit skewed! The consultation ends next month.
However, as I've mentioned implementation won't be complete before next year.
Mike
However, as I've mentioned implementation won't be complete before next year.
Mike
jerryat
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Hi Mike,
Nice to see you back aboard so to speak. You are probably right, but they were the dates given to me in the email! My guess is that nobody actually knows yet, and in any case, I ain't gonna get me free licence this year, so it's out with the cheque book I'm afraid!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Hope your career break doesn't last too much longer.
Kind regards
Jerry
Nice to see you back aboard so to speak. You are probably right, but they were the dates given to me in the email! My guess is that nobody actually knows yet, and in any case, I ain't gonna get me free licence this year, so it's out with the cheque book I'm afraid!! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Hope your career break doesn't last too much longer.
Kind regards
Jerry
Mike_Martin
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Hope your career break doesn't last too much longer.
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Oh I don't know. First real break in 20 years, I could get used to this.
Mike
Hope your career break doesn't last too much longer.
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Oh I don't know. First real break in 20 years, I could get used to this.
Mike
michael_99
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I got my radio license in 1998, and havn't payed a cent since.
Down under license is for life. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Down under license is for life. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif