The RNLI at it again.

oldharry said:
Which is the strongest argument I know against compulsory training for leisure boat owners.

"I've done the course so I know all about it"

"Here lies the body of poor John Gray
who knew he had the right of way..."
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I was unaware that anyone or any organisation was calling for it. The system we have works fine. I also dont recognise anyone in your last catagory. I am a relative novice at sailing-about 3,500nm and ten years-but realise that I learn something every time I sail. The Instuctor on the last RYA course I did suggested I was a little too cautious. The previous part of my life involved risk-my sailing hopefully will not.
 
awol said:
The term "casualty" may emanate from the Coastguard. Certainly they refer to "casualty working" when they are involved with an incident.
Maybe we should dumb down the vocabulary of all professions and activities to avoid impacting on the sensibilities of the lowest common denominator of the public. Or maybe the concept of LCD is too complex?
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It's rather sad to hear someone describing a request to use the correct words for the occasion, especially in something as precise as SAR communications, as "dumbing down". Using incorrect terminology is one of the most common forms of dumbing down - what I'm referring to is exactly the opposite - an attempt to stop the dumbing down happening.



From http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/casualty

noun (plural casualties)

a person killed or injured in a war or accident: the shelling caused thousands of civilian casualties
a person or thing badly affected by an event or situation: the building industry has been one of the casualties of the recession
British the casualty department of a hospital: he went to casualty to have a cut stitched
(chiefly in insurance) an accident or disaster: the Insurers acquire all the Policyholder’s rights in respect of the casualty which caused the loss​

That doesn't describe the people in the RNLI shout description unless you consider having to stop fishing "badly affected".

Nor does every lifeboat launch fit this definition:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/incident?q=incident

Definition of incident
noun

1an instance of something happening; an event or occurrence: several amusing incidents there was not one incident of teasing from the 90 pupils
a violent event, such as a fracas or assault: one person was stabbed in the incident
a hostile clash between forces of rival countries: the US regretted the incident
[mass noun] the occurrence of dangerous or exciting things: my period in Egypt wasn’t without incident

2 Law a privilege, burden, or right attaching to an office, estate, or other holding.​
 
This thread is starting to flounder.
What do the French Coastguard do with numpty fishermen- are they allowed to shoot skippers who will not accept advice?
 
rotrax said:
I was unaware that anyone or any organisation was calling for it. The system we have works fine. I also dont recognise anyone in your last catagory. I am a relative novice at sailing-about 3,500nm and ten years-but realise that I learn something every time I sail. The Instuctor on the last RYA course I did suggested I was a little too cautious. The previous part of my life involved risk-my sailing hopefully will not.
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Watch this space. The Government 'Marine Plan' is on course to 'make the Sea safe for all users'. Not straight away, but legislation and the means to ensure all boats and possibly their skippers are registered is already in place. The Plan will affect 'everyone who uses the sea'.

If you have time and can work your way through it, take an in depth look around the MMO website. Its all there.
 
oldharry said:
Watch this space. The Government 'Marine Plan' is on course to 'make the Sea safe for all users'. Not straight away, but legislation and the means to ensure all boats and possibly their skippers are registered is already in place. The Plan will affect 'everyone who uses the sea'.

If you have time and can work your way through it, take an in depth look around the MMO website. Its all there.
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Too many " and posibly's" for me old chap. When the RYA show concern no doubt we will better informed. I am not in the habit of jumping to delusions.
 
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If you change "engineer" to "forumite" ..........
 
rotrax said:
Too many " and posibly's" for me old chap. When the RYA show concern no doubt we will better informed. I am not in the habit of jumping to delusions.
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The RYAs main objective is racing... and Olympic racing... troublesome things like fighting bad legislation come second.... They lost the one about driking in charge of a boat, they have not done well on Studalnd bay... they did nothing about stopping the Marine planning so far...
 
Tomahawk said:
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The RYAs main objective is racing... and Olympic racing... troublesome things like fighting bad legislation come second.... They lost the one about driking in charge of a boat, they have not done well on Studalnd bay... they did nothing about stopping the Marine planning so far...
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And you think negative posts on here without any constructive element will do any better? I think you will find they sorted the Osbourne bay thing out toot and sweet!
 
rotrax said:
Too many " and posibly's" for me old chap. When the RYA show concern no doubt we will better informed. I am not in the habit of jumping to delusions.
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... which is exactly the sort of head in the sand attitude which allowed the conservos free reign with MCZs until a some of us woke up to what was they were doing. As an OAP I probably wont be about in 10 - 15 years time to fight the next round, and can only pass on what I am seeing and hearing now from the BORG hotseat.

The political will is there and the decisions have already been taken to bring UK coastal waters 'under legislative control'. The precedent and pattern is there in our EU neighbours, specially Spain. The legislation has been in place since 2009, (Marine and Coastal Access Act) and the quango to organise it is now up and running. Until 2018 they are busy on MCZs, but once that one is buttoned up they will be turning their attention to 'making the sea safer' for us all. And there is only one thing our our political masters mean by 'making things safer': Legislation, rules, and controls, with more income for the government. Government moves slowly: MCZs were birthed in 1992 in the Rio Treaty on Biodiversity, and Conservation legislation with the Wildlife Act 2002, and MCAA 2009 were the result. The outworking of both these bits of legislation will take another 20 years to take full effect, but what is clear to me reading 1000's of pages of reports is that the effect on our sport and recreation will be far reaching as nanny state seeks to make our sport 'safe' for us.

Sadly, I doubt it will save one single life!
 
oldharry said:
'making the sea safer'
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If you want to do that well stop building boats and ships and oil rigs and wind farms etc etc as without them it would be hard to have an accident :rolleyes:

But as you say the legislation..

I would love to say I will be sailing in another 30 years, but TBO I think legislation sill stop me first :(.
 
Just think of all the accidents on the hills, and at sea, that could be prevented if the mountains were bulldozed into the sea.:rolleyes:
 
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