EdWingfield
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Thinking of a 250M North Sea crossing next summer.
What inventory should be in the grab bag?
What inventory should be in the grab bag?
The grab bag
- Thread starter EdWingfield
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tcm
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better put actual things i the bag rather than an inventory, which is a list of them...
ChrisE
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Well, in mine we have:
1 hand held GPS
1 hand held EPIRB
1 hand held VHF
1 satphone
3 torches (one a shaker)
4 light sticks
5 immersion suits
then the usual food and water stuff plus a load of batteries
Flares, passports and mobiles, etc to be thrown in as the boat sinks around us.
This is based on the assumption that we will be rescued within 24 hours.
1 hand held GPS
1 hand held EPIRB
1 hand held VHF
1 satphone
3 torches (one a shaker)
4 light sticks
5 immersion suits
then the usual food and water stuff plus a load of batteries
Flares, passports and mobiles, etc to be thrown in as the boat sinks around us.
This is based on the assumption that we will be rescued within 24 hours.
phatcat1
Well-Known Member
Aah, but without the inventory, you wouldn't know what was missing!
Try vhf
gps
water
old CD's (1 or 2)
High energy food
Flares
First aid
Spare batteries
etc
etc
Try vhf
gps
water
old CD's (1 or 2)
High energy food
Flares
First aid
Spare batteries
etc
etc
PuffTheMagicDragon
Well-Known Member
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Well, in mine we have:
....
5 immersion suits
then the usual food and water stuff plus a load of batteries
Flares, passports and mobiles, etc to be thrown in as the boat sinks around us.
This is based on the assumption that we will be rescued within 24 hours.
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Just how big is your GRAB bag??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Well, in mine we have:
....
5 immersion suits
then the usual food and water stuff plus a load of batteries
Flares, passports and mobiles, etc to be thrown in as the boat sinks around us.
This is based on the assumption that we will be rescued within 24 hours.
[/ QUOTE ]
Just how big is your GRAB bag??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
santeana
Well-Known Member
Also check what's packed in your liferaft and it''s condition. The term 'Grab Bag' needs to be interpreted as "what do you take with you" rather than "what goes into a bag/bottle". Building on what the others have contributed what about:
Rescue line/quoit; 2xsignal mirror/CDs; strobe light; signal card; HB compass; charts; knife/multi purpose tool; bailer; sponges; paddles (from dinghy); pump; duck tape; repair kit; TPA pp; seasick tabs/bags; ship's papers; prescription medicines; credit card/money; sun glasses; headwear; sun cream; binos; dry clothing....
It's helpful for stuff needed for evacuation not stowed in the Grab Bag to be marked with yellow tape or similar.
Cheers, Ron
Rescue line/quoit; 2xsignal mirror/CDs; strobe light; signal card; HB compass; charts; knife/multi purpose tool; bailer; sponges; paddles (from dinghy); pump; duck tape; repair kit; TPA pp; seasick tabs/bags; ship's papers; prescription medicines; credit card/money; sun glasses; headwear; sun cream; binos; dry clothing....
It's helpful for stuff needed for evacuation not stowed in the Grab Bag to be marked with yellow tape or similar.
Cheers, Ron
ChrisE
Well-Known Member
Big enough! It is about the size of a big sports holdall, purpose built, made with in built flotation and bright yellow.
Mrs_E reckons that I worry too much, she's prob right but when it all goes tits up.....
Mrs_E reckons that I worry too much, she's prob right but when it all goes tits up.....
Talbot
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Here is a list of items which you might consider for inclusion:
The ORC recommends that a "grab bag" accompanies each liferaft. The following contents are recommended and should be appropriately packed and waterproofed (packing should be openable by wet fingers without tools):
spare sea anchor (drogue) and line for the liferaft
two safety tin openers
waterproof hand-held VHF transceiver
waterproof hand-held GPS
EPIRB for 406MHz ("GPIRB" type, or INMARSAT "E" -which is also of the "GPIRB" type- recommended)
a first aid kit
one plastic drinking vessel graduated in 10, 20 and 50 cubic cm
two or more "cyalume" sticks
two watertight floating flashlights or torches
one daylight signalling mirror and one signalling whistle
at least two red parachute flares and three red hand flares
non-thirst provoking rations and barley sugar or equivalent
watertight receptacles containing fresh water (at least half a litre per person)
nylon string, polythene bags, seasickness tablets
an SART (Search and Rescue Transponder beacon) is worth considering. This device creates a distinctive "distress" signal on commercial ships 9GHz radar screens."
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The ditch kit should contain items that allow survival from the moment the raft is jettisoned to potentially a period of several months. The short-term concerns, calculated in minutes and hours, deal with injuries sustained during abandon-ship procedures, hypothermia, and the ability to keep the raft afloat. Signaling devices can be useful immediately or long-term; they represent the capacity to signal one’s presence to potential rescuers. Medium-term survival, calculated over a few days, depends on the ability to collect water. Finally, long-term survival, measured in days to months, is based on the potential to gather food.
A. Short-Term Survival (Minutes to Hours)
1) Thermal protective aids such as space blankets or survival bags that consist of compact aluminized sheets of heat-reflective material shaped into a suit or a mummy-bag.
2) Chemical heat packs, either four six-hour units or two 20-hour units per crew, to warm crew
3) Self-inflating foam pad or air mattress, especially if the raft has no insulated double floor, for cushioning and added insulation
4) Wool and rubber work gloves and watch cap
5) Minimal first-aid kit including instruction manual, sterile bandages, sutures, seasickness medication (tablets, suppositories, or injectables), pain killers, aspirin for heart attacks, surgeon’s tape, antibiotics, enema sack for rehydration, sun screen, burn cream, petroleum jelly (also for lubricating metal), and inflatable splints.
6) Repair kit with small tubes of silicon seal that cures under water or similar “good goop.” For inflatables, include a spare air pump, clamps (assorted sizes of cymbal type), heavy needles and sail twine, spare canopy and raft material, and glue patches. For rigid dinghies, include underwater epoxy and glass and fabric for making and repairing the canopy 200 feet of 3/16-inch line and 100 feet of 1/4-inch line, duct tape, spare line for lashings, securing items, and improvising.
7) Tools: sheath knife, multitool or Swiss Army knife, several flat blades, file, sharpening stone, tube of oil.
8) Two 1/8- by 8- by 12-inch marine-plywood cutting boards to protect the raft floor from puncture; one can be marked and used as a sextant
9) Two sponges
10) Plastic sacks and ties
11) Lights: small diving flashlights, chemical light sticks
12) Reflective tape attached to the outside of raft
B. Short to Medium-Term Survival (Hours to Days)
1) Secondary EPIRB
2) Waterproof handheld VHF
3) Six SOLAS-approved parachute flares or 12 non-SOLAS parachutes, three handheld red flares, and two orange smoke flares. Metal flare guns may be prone to rust, so carry oil
4) Signaling mirror
5) Navigation kit: survival manual, pencils, pads of paper, waterproofed pilot chart for the ocean traveled, compass, waterproof watch, plastic protractor
6) Parafoil signaling kite that’s compact and light and may be flown in moderate winds, providing some propulsion and extending visibility, even at night (e.g., the Sky-Alert Rescue Kite by Davis Instruments, 510-732-9229)
7) Backup improved Icelandic-style sea anchor (many models are available) that’s a tapered cone with mesh or straps around bridle to prevent fouling, with a strong swivel and rode
C. Medium-Term Survival (Days to Weeks)
1) Reverse-osmosis watermaker equivalent to Survivor 06 (Survivor 35 is preferred for a crew of six or more)
2) Water in pouches or cans; 16 ounces per person for immediate use
3) Transparent biking bottle with secure cap to help rationing
4) Other bags and plastic sheets for water collection
5) Siphon/enema tubing to transfer water between containers or help survivors absorb water rectally
6) Dried fruit and chocolate
D. Long-Term Survival (Weeks to Months)
1) Survival ship’s biscuits
2) Multiple vitamins
3) Fishing kit: small trident and handle, large gaff or Hawaiian sling, 200 feet of 50-pound test (natural cod line shrinks as it dries, good for small lashings), 20 feet of heavy-wire leader, hooks from trout-size to 4-inch, various jigs and lures, sinkers
4) Small plankton net or stockings with stiff metal ring to keep waist open to troll at night (you may be able to live off plankton, but beware of jellyfish)
E. Miscellaneous
1) Photocopies of all essential crew documents, including passports and boat documentation to aid you when reaching land. (It’s advisable to file additional copies ashore along with a list of safety equipment and a float plan.)
2) Shore survival items in case you land in an uninhabited area: waterproof matches, flint, wire saw.
The ORC recommends that a "grab bag" accompanies each liferaft. The following contents are recommended and should be appropriately packed and waterproofed (packing should be openable by wet fingers without tools):
spare sea anchor (drogue) and line for the liferaft
two safety tin openers
waterproof hand-held VHF transceiver
waterproof hand-held GPS
EPIRB for 406MHz ("GPIRB" type, or INMARSAT "E" -which is also of the "GPIRB" type- recommended)
a first aid kit
one plastic drinking vessel graduated in 10, 20 and 50 cubic cm
two or more "cyalume" sticks
two watertight floating flashlights or torches
one daylight signalling mirror and one signalling whistle
at least two red parachute flares and three red hand flares
non-thirst provoking rations and barley sugar or equivalent
watertight receptacles containing fresh water (at least half a litre per person)
nylon string, polythene bags, seasickness tablets
an SART (Search and Rescue Transponder beacon) is worth considering. This device creates a distinctive "distress" signal on commercial ships 9GHz radar screens."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The ditch kit should contain items that allow survival from the moment the raft is jettisoned to potentially a period of several months. The short-term concerns, calculated in minutes and hours, deal with injuries sustained during abandon-ship procedures, hypothermia, and the ability to keep the raft afloat. Signaling devices can be useful immediately or long-term; they represent the capacity to signal one’s presence to potential rescuers. Medium-term survival, calculated over a few days, depends on the ability to collect water. Finally, long-term survival, measured in days to months, is based on the potential to gather food.
A. Short-Term Survival (Minutes to Hours)
1) Thermal protective aids such as space blankets or survival bags that consist of compact aluminized sheets of heat-reflective material shaped into a suit or a mummy-bag.
2) Chemical heat packs, either four six-hour units or two 20-hour units per crew, to warm crew
3) Self-inflating foam pad or air mattress, especially if the raft has no insulated double floor, for cushioning and added insulation
4) Wool and rubber work gloves and watch cap
5) Minimal first-aid kit including instruction manual, sterile bandages, sutures, seasickness medication (tablets, suppositories, or injectables), pain killers, aspirin for heart attacks, surgeon’s tape, antibiotics, enema sack for rehydration, sun screen, burn cream, petroleum jelly (also for lubricating metal), and inflatable splints.
6) Repair kit with small tubes of silicon seal that cures under water or similar “good goop.” For inflatables, include a spare air pump, clamps (assorted sizes of cymbal type), heavy needles and sail twine, spare canopy and raft material, and glue patches. For rigid dinghies, include underwater epoxy and glass and fabric for making and repairing the canopy 200 feet of 3/16-inch line and 100 feet of 1/4-inch line, duct tape, spare line for lashings, securing items, and improvising.
7) Tools: sheath knife, multitool or Swiss Army knife, several flat blades, file, sharpening stone, tube of oil.
8) Two 1/8- by 8- by 12-inch marine-plywood cutting boards to protect the raft floor from puncture; one can be marked and used as a sextant
9) Two sponges
10) Plastic sacks and ties
11) Lights: small diving flashlights, chemical light sticks
12) Reflective tape attached to the outside of raft
B. Short to Medium-Term Survival (Hours to Days)
1) Secondary EPIRB
2) Waterproof handheld VHF
3) Six SOLAS-approved parachute flares or 12 non-SOLAS parachutes, three handheld red flares, and two orange smoke flares. Metal flare guns may be prone to rust, so carry oil
4) Signaling mirror
5) Navigation kit: survival manual, pencils, pads of paper, waterproofed pilot chart for the ocean traveled, compass, waterproof watch, plastic protractor
6) Parafoil signaling kite that’s compact and light and may be flown in moderate winds, providing some propulsion and extending visibility, even at night (e.g., the Sky-Alert Rescue Kite by Davis Instruments, 510-732-9229)
7) Backup improved Icelandic-style sea anchor (many models are available) that’s a tapered cone with mesh or straps around bridle to prevent fouling, with a strong swivel and rode
C. Medium-Term Survival (Days to Weeks)
1) Reverse-osmosis watermaker equivalent to Survivor 06 (Survivor 35 is preferred for a crew of six or more)
2) Water in pouches or cans; 16 ounces per person for immediate use
3) Transparent biking bottle with secure cap to help rationing
4) Other bags and plastic sheets for water collection
5) Siphon/enema tubing to transfer water between containers or help survivors absorb water rectally
6) Dried fruit and chocolate
D. Long-Term Survival (Weeks to Months)
1) Survival ship’s biscuits
2) Multiple vitamins
3) Fishing kit: small trident and handle, large gaff or Hawaiian sling, 200 feet of 50-pound test (natural cod line shrinks as it dries, good for small lashings), 20 feet of heavy-wire leader, hooks from trout-size to 4-inch, various jigs and lures, sinkers
4) Small plankton net or stockings with stiff metal ring to keep waist open to troll at night (you may be able to live off plankton, but beware of jellyfish)
E. Miscellaneous
1) Photocopies of all essential crew documents, including passports and boat documentation to aid you when reaching land. (It’s advisable to file additional copies ashore along with a list of safety equipment and a float plan.)
2) Shore survival items in case you land in an uninhabited area: waterproof matches, flint, wire saw.
bilbobaggins
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Old CD's to make a heliograph? For the North Sea? I've heard global warming is coming, but it has a long way to go before 'sunshine' and 'North Sea' are synonymous.
And sun screen cream....? Which North Sea is this?
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Seriously, though, two light harnesses c/w lifeline ( lesson from Sydney/Hobart ), some oral rehydrant sachets ( Dioralyte ), a couple of balaclavas, some cheap personal lights with armbands or headtorches , and some 'Thermal Protective Aids' ( TPAs ) - which are proven lifesavers.
Oh, and make sure you have a means of securing the grab bag within the liferaft...... or you'll lose stuff quickly overboard.
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Oh, and having spent some time in liferafts, a few copies of The Telegraph Crossword - in Tyvek paper - wouldn't go amiss.....
And sun screen cream....? Which North Sea is this?
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Seriously, though, two light harnesses c/w lifeline ( lesson from Sydney/Hobart ), some oral rehydrant sachets ( Dioralyte ), a couple of balaclavas, some cheap personal lights with armbands or headtorches , and some 'Thermal Protective Aids' ( TPAs ) - which are proven lifesavers.
Oh, and make sure you have a means of securing the grab bag within the liferaft...... or you'll lose stuff quickly overboard.
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Oh, and having spent some time in liferafts, a few copies of The Telegraph Crossword - in Tyvek paper - wouldn't go amiss.....
ChrisE
Well-Known Member
Bloody hell, Talbot, he's only going to be out for a couple of days in the North Sea!
FullCircle
Well-Known Member
Grab bags in possession =1
Grab bag contents =0
I must add that to my list of jobs, as I have the majority of the kit on board waiting to be added to it. I keep thinking up brilliant ways of storing the kit, and in what order, and separated, and, and, and...... I also keep thinking of the shape and access of the bag, and where to stow it during passage and in harbour.
Its all a worry, and I will get round to it. Maybe later next season at anchor, when I have time to really nail the issues.
Grab bag contents =0
I must add that to my list of jobs, as I have the majority of the kit on board waiting to be added to it. I keep thinking up brilliant ways of storing the kit, and in what order, and separated, and, and, and...... I also keep thinking of the shape and access of the bag, and where to stow it during passage and in harbour.
Its all a worry, and I will get round to it. Maybe later next season at anchor, when I have time to really nail the issues.
Talbot
Well-Known Member
He is , but others will google to this thread, and I couldnt be bothered to reduce the size of it.
/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gifI did say look and choose what you want /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gifI did say look and choose what you want /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
ChrisE
Well-Known Member
I've re-read what I wrote and should have said 5 survival suits, (the plastc bags shaped roughly like humans). I can see why you made the comment.
cliff
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One could also add a cork screw and a few bottles of decent vino and a bottle of single malt (for medicinal purposes).
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ChrisE
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They are left on the boat until the last minute. We carrying on drinking on the mothership until we have to transfer to the liferaft.
phatcat1
Well-Known Member
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(It’s advisable to file additional copies ashore along with a list of safety equipment and a float plan.)
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Float Plan??????
Its not often those retiring to a Liferaft have actually planned the venture and decided where they want/will go! Let alone told anyone!!!! Especially on leaving land? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
(It’s advisable to file additional copies ashore along with a list of safety equipment and a float plan.)
[/ QUOTE ]
Float Plan??????
Its not often those retiring to a Liferaft have actually planned the venture and decided where they want/will go! Let alone told anyone!!!! Especially on leaving land? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
claymore
Well-Known Member
Might I suggest a decent book and a solar powered laptop with an internet connection so that you can get through this ordeal and keep us all up to date rather than making us wait until you get to a Norwegian Cybercaff.
PuffTheMagicDragon
Well-Known Member
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.......should have said 5 survival suits, .....
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OK! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
.......should have said 5 survival suits, .....
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OK! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
stevebrassett
Well-Known Member
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(It’s advisable to file additional copies ashore along with a list of safety equipment and a float plan.)
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Float Plan??????
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Yup - if I ever have to abandon ship, I plan to float. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
[ QUOTE ]
(It’s advisable to file additional copies ashore along with a list of safety equipment and a float plan.)
[/ QUOTE ]
Float Plan??????
[/ QUOTE ]
Yup - if I ever have to abandon ship, I plan to float. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Brian_B
Well-Known Member
If the Black Pig sinks, I'll be takin:
Bottle of grog
Parrot
Treasure map
Spare grog
Jim lad
All aboard the liferaft me hartees
Bottle of grog
Parrot
Treasure map
Spare grog
Jim lad
All aboard the liferaft me hartees
