The end of owner maintenance ...

[Tomahawk]

They are keeping it that way, there is just a bundle of people on here who refuse to admit it. But really, my opinion doesnt count. I asked if anyone had ever heard of a prosecution under an MGN or an insurance claim refused. The deafening silence on the subject brings me to deduce that there has never been one. And likely as not, never will be.

The thread has given a clear insight into predjudice against a variety of things though, so good value.

Up to now, the MCA has not involved itself with private leisure boats... Indeed the draft notes acknowledge that very point ... so there will not have been any prosecutions or insurance claims refused.

The problem here is that the MCA is getting involved with private leisure boats for the first time.

 

[Kukri]

Up to now, the MCA has not involved itself with private leisure boats... Indeed the draft notes acknowledge that very point ... so there will not have been any prosecutions or insurance claims refused.

The problem here is that the MCA is getting involved with private leisure boats for the first time.

That is exactly the point. Thanks.

 

[[70521]]

Just read the Royal Institution of Navigation response. A very, very thought out response to the consultation. If you are a member well worth a read.

 

[scrambledegg]

Just read the Royal Institution of Navigation response. A very, very thought out response to the consultation. If you are a member well worth a read.

Lots here would be very interested to read it. Any chance you could ask them to put it in the public domain?

 

[[70521]]

I can ask.

 

[Kukri]

Lots here would be very interested to read it. Any chance you could ask them to put it in the public domain?

+1.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Up to now, the MCA has not involved itself with private leisure boats... Indeed the draft notes acknowledge that very point ... so there will not have been any prosecutions or insurance claims refused.

The problem here is that the MCA is getting involved with private leisure boats for the first time.

The MCA does get involved in leisure boats through the investigation process if there is an incident. For example the multiple fatalities when a motor boat ran aground in Tarbert harbour, Loch Fyne: -

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/547c7092ed915d4c0d0000b1/Sea_Snake.pdf

You may think they are not directly involved but they are through the incident investigation process as noted below, from the report: -

SECTION 4 - ACTION TAKENMARINE ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION BRANCH
In July 2005 MAIB investigated a fatal accident involving a collision between two leisure boats Carrie Kate and Kets, in common with this investigation excessive consumption of alcohol was identified as the major causal factor.
In the case of Carrie Kate/Kets the following recommendation was made to Department of Transport :
“2005/133 Work closely with the RYA, MCA and other relevant stakeholders to realise the urgent introduction of national regulations to establish limits on the amount of alcohol which may be consumed by operators of leisure vessels.”
The only recommendation that is appropriate as a consequence of the Sea Snake investigation is identical to the above, and, therefore, repetition of the recommendation in this report is not necessary.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

I suspect that «*fisherman*» and I and some others probably have. There’s no reason for any British boat owner or crew of a boat under 13.7 metres Register length to have had any contact with the MCA. Let’s keep it that way.

See Post 527 for an example where they do get involved in craft that are less than 13.7m

 

[TwoHooter]

Taking a wider view, here's a pertinent quote from Matt Ridley in the Telegraph today (title: It's time for a bonfire of the regulatory quangos that are destroying our democracy):-
'But at the heart of this issue lies a creeping change in the way we live. Under the common law, a Briton was always free to do anything that was not specifically forbidden, but was responsible for any harm caused, in contrast with the continental, Roman-Napoleonic tradition that the civil law dictates what is allowed. '
I agree with Ridley that we are gradually losing the freedom to do what we like in many activities because of the proliferation of regulatory authorities. The concessions made by the MCA during the course of their brief consultation do not alter the fact that leisure boating has previously been none of their business unless an accident happens, and I personally would like it to stay that way.