The dark side - The pull is strong

All true i'd guess, but coming from a (currently) former MOBO owner, how much has that trip just cost you in fuel?

Probably less than when fuel was cheap. Maybe a fill up after every second holiday, Yes we are not going as far. So about 300 quid every second holiday. Mind holidays now last at least two weeks..
 
Philiz said:
I know, I helmed LS from PD to Holyhead a few weeks ago. Very enjoyable it was too!
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Phil

After reading the entire post several times I noted the following:

1. You want the slower pace of cruising. The ride vs the destination.
2. You want fuel economy.
3. You want the feel of a tiller or wheel in you hands.
4. You want to the ability to steer from both inside and outside.
5. You want the feel of a solid craft under you.
6. You want a sail on your boat and what it represents.
7. You want to sip tea while underway.

Now be honest with yourself. This thread started shortly after you helmed LittleShip and she has everything you want. Deep down in your soul you want a Grand Banks but are afraid to ask.:D

They have both an inside helm and a helm on the flybridge. For the yattie feel they also have a tiller on the aft deck. They have a mast and boom for a sail. Yes I know it is a steadying sail, but a sail none the less. Fuel economy is less than 2 gallons/hour at 7+ knots. Solid and stable so you won't spill your tea.;)

I will let Tom and the Major tell you the rest of it during the upcoming "Intervention"

Bernie
 
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I have to say I do think many are missing the point of rags n sticks.. In fact I missed the point of rags n sticks until I spent a week on one.

If you make direct technical comparisons i.e. comfy seats v hard seats, 20kts v 6kts, short trip v voyage etc etc you won't get it.

Sailing is......Just different. It feels different and it's a different mindset. If you get it, you'll love it. (well most of the time :) ) If you don't you'll be running back to your MOBO faster than you can say "Abandon Ship".

The biggest mistake anyone can make is saying one is wrong and the other is right.
 
Tresner said:
Phil

After reading the entire post several times I noted the following:

1. You want the slower pace of cruising. The ride vs the destination.
2. You want fuel economy.
3. You want the feel of a tiller or wheel in you hands.
4. You want to the ability to steer from both inside and outside.
5. You want the feel of a solid craft under you.
6. You want a sail on your boat and what it represents.
7. You want to sip tea while underway.

Now be honest with yourself. This thread started shortly after you helmed LittleShip and she has everything you want. Deep down in your soul you want a Grand Banks but are afraid to ask.:D

They have both an inside helm and a helm on the flybridge. For the yattie feel they also have a tiller on the aft deck. They have a mast and boom for a sail. Yes I know it is a steadying sail, but a sail none the less. Fuel economy is less than 2 gallons/hour at 7+ knots. Solid and stable so you won't spill your tea.;)

I will let Tom and the Major tell you the rest of it during the upcoming "Intervention"

Bernie
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It's a definite possibility Bernie, sort of compromise between the two. Only problem is you've still got the engine noise, I like the tranquil feeling when just wind powered :)
 
Philiz said:
Now I'm getting compliments from a raggie, they're trying to turn me :eek:
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:D Nah, no point. As Fire99 says, you get it or you don't. Haydn will never get it - but that's fine, he's happy where he is & I wish him well.

I must admit of all MoBo's I do like the G.Banks & always have - but they are million miles out of my league.

In terms of the rough weather issues, MF (like LS) is a big old girl & bashing thro the **** is no problem to her, but one of the light little Merry Fisher Peche proms, or similar like sport boats, would be thrown all over the place. You would need a full harness seat belt just to stay in the driving seat.

When comparing MoBo & Raggie (apples & pears really) we need to try to keep a level playing field. There is no comparison between a large cruising MoBo (worth maybe 50-100k plus) and an old cruising yacht worth maybe 5-15k. If your budget is 50-100k you will get a modern raggie with good accom & many rig handling aids to make life easy. If your budget is 5k the situation is very different - you are looking at small old mobos with potential engine issues & limited sea keeping, but you could still get a decent small seagoing yacht capable of long passages (just check out OnKudu, or The Geordie Mermaid)
 
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I must admit of all MoBo's I do like the G.Banks & always have - but they are million miles out of my league.

In terms of the rough weather issues, MF (like LS) is a big old girl & bashing thro the **** is no problem to her, but one of the light little Merry Fisher Peche proms, or similar like sport boats, would be thrown all over the place. You would need a full harness seat belt just to stay in the driving seat.

When comparing MoBo & Raggie (apples & pears really) we need to try to keep a level playing field. There is no comparison between a large cruising MoBo (worth maybe 50-100k plus) and an old cruising yacht worth maybe 5-15k. If your budget is 50-100k you will get a modern raggie with good accom & many rig handling aids to make life easy. If your budget is 5k the situation is very different - you are looking at small old mobos with potential engine issues & limited sea keeping, but you could still get a decent small seagoing yacht capable of long passages (just check out OnKudu, or The Geordie Mermaid)
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Yes the GB's and trawler yatchs in general have a certain appeal. As you know , we did have a MF 625 as our introduction to boating way back in 2008! Good little boat but uncomfortable in the lumpy stuff.
Rig handling aids would be a requirement, James' boat is terrific but it would be too hard for us to handle. Terminology baffles me on raggies too, you seem to have a dozen names for the same thing, and when it comes to different types of rigging............. :confused:
 
The difference between the mobo and raggie experience is significant. And you can't have one if you've opted for the other. And Searush has a really good point, in that budget can cause the experience of each to be different from one mobo to the next too.

So, maybe you just have to ask yourself what you want out of the boatie experience at the current time, prioritise, and then choose the vessel that matches your needs.

Bit like cars really. Having a sports car is great, until you need to take some garden rubbish to the tip! And you need an estate or 4wd if you want to take rubbish to the tip regularly.

And whatever you choose, it sometimes turns out that you sit on your boat and wish you had another one.

We motored all day into the wind yesterday (right on the bloody nose) with our sailing cat and the wind gradually increased the closer we got to our destination, just to wear me down even more. And it was rubbish. Bouncing, wet, loud, puke-making, tedious, energy-sapping etc etc. And the five mobos that passed me probably noticed my yearning desperate looks as they sped off into the waves at about 20 knots. I'd have swopped there and then, and sod the diesel cost.

But today, we are sat in the miserable August weather in Portland Harbour, doing one of the things that our boat is really good at. We have lots of space, we have all the mod cons, can see outside from the deck level saloon, and have no rocking because we have two hulls, and it's warm inside and we have good wifi from our external arial.

And when we are sailing on a good day, with the wind, flat, at zero fuel cost, at a steady 8-10 knots, the boat is just perfect.

And that's the way it is. Sometimes we all want what we don't have. Yesterday I had that feeling real strong.

Not sure if my thoughts are normal, but at times, I have always yearned for the boat that I didn't choose!

Cheers

Garold
 
Searush said:
:D When comparing MoBo & Raggie (apples & pears really) we need to try to keep a level playing field. There is no comparison between a large cruising MoBo (worth maybe 50-100k plus) and an old cruising yacht worth maybe 5-15k.
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I disagree having had both sail and power. They both do the same thing and that is to get me out on the water. I had the raggie in San Francisco where the sun was out, the wind was always strong and there was no place to go but sail. It was perfect. On the North Left coast of the US, the weather favors the mobo. The rag baggers are under power 95+% of the time. Most if them come over to the slow trawlers when wisdom, age and sore, weak bodies demand it. ;)

Your area seems to be a tossup between the two. The North Wales Mobs has the best setup. Each has a boat of one style and a few friends with the other. :) But I have reached point where wisdom and age have made polite requests for the mobo.

Bernie
 
Wow, 12 pages in. I'm jumping on this thread very late in the game, but Searush pointed it out and I felt like I should add some words.

I ventured out on a ski boat a couple of days ago. A vintage Mastercraft Pro Star 190, packing 260hp from a 5.8l V8. Wow. I won't pretend I wasn't impressed. I was. It was fun, great fun, but expensive fun. A 2 hour session cost around about £20 in fuel, and I realise this is fairly lightweight in mobo terms. It's not the money though, it's the freedom. The instant speed of the boat, and the adjoined wakeboarding but an immediate smile upon my face. A quick release of boredom and a thirst to be better on the next run.

I was having fun without doubt, but it was a different sort of fun. It was a disposable kind of fun. A fun that appeased a temporary void rather than a fun that lasted a lifetime. I saw the enjoyment you guys must feel at cruising speed and I understood why. I do wish some of you were slightly more courteous when in the company of small craft, but heck, I can forgive you for being taken by the moment... I was.

There's something lacking about a motorboat though. As fun as they are, the power of that engine doesn't come close to the shear bliss of knowing your fought nature for those miles. I urge you to seek to experience that difference.

Here are two vids shot on the same day. The second warms me much more than the first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlIqfh3sgOc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCkJptPY46c
 
nathanlee said:
I ventured out on a ski boat a couple of days ago. A vintage Mastercraft Pro Star 190, packing 260hp from a 5.8l V8. Wow. I won't pretend I wasn't impressed. I was. It was fun, great fun, but expensive fun. A 2 hour session cost around about £20 in fuel, and I realise this is fairly lightweight in mobo terms.
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That sounds very economical to me, £20 for two hours is about 2 and a bit gallons per hour isn't it? I would have thought a boat like that would use something nearer 5+ gallons per hour wouldn't it?
 
Philiz said:
That sounds very economical to me, £20 for two hours is about 2 and a bit gallons per hour isn't it? I would have thought a boat like that would use something nearer 5+ gallons per hour wouldn't it?
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Perhaps, but bear in mind that on a ski boat the majority of time (with us newbies at least) is spent at very low revs. Only short stints of 3,000rpm happen.
 
nathanlee said:
There's something lacking about a motorboat though. As fun as they are, the power of that engine doesn't come close to the shear bliss of knowing your fought nature for those miles. I urge you to seek to experience that difference.
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Nathan, I think you may find quite a few mobo forum contributors have been doing quite a bit of both types of boating over a considerable number of years. ;) ......but if we all thought the same way, the threads would be very short indeed. :)
 
Philiz said:
Terminology baffles me on raggies too, you seem to have a dozen names for the same thing, and when it comes to different types of rigging............. :confused:
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Na, they just talk about stuff like that to confuse us Mobo lads.
Especially at the Yacht club Bar.
Challenge to the Saily boys in this Thread
OK , when would you tie a 'Frawcett Knott' and when would you use a 'Smillen Line'?
That'l get em going;)
Must say and as others have said
What a great Thread
No anger etc, nice 'chat' about the two disciplines.
Flappin about in a saily boat?
Load of rollocks!
That should do it;)
 
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