The dark side - The pull is strong

[Philiz]

My comments near the beginning of this thread IMHO and definately not biased. My boating history in 30 years:-

in order:-

14ft speed boat, 24ft long keel yacht, 25ft Seamaster mobo, 23ft Shetland mobo, 24ft Yacht, Spring 25 yacht, Moody 30 yacht, Princess 33 mobo, Fairline 40 mobo, Beneteau Oceanis 423 yacht - and now a Sealine 44ft mobo.

Why is there more raggies than mobos? Maybe cost might have a lot to do with it. Size for size, at a similar age mobos are considerably more expensive to buy and to run than a yacht.

The Cat option is something I have never even considered! Maybe something to think about when the time comes for a change. Pilothouse yachts are an option I considered, but found that unless very large they still have most of the same "problems" as any other style of yacht. There are also very few about or built in the first place as far as I can see.

I was generalising, there's always the odd exception. Not that I'm calling you odd by the way

 

[Philiz]

That's because we mobos have already got to where we're going and already parked up with our first beer whereas all the yotties are still out there trying to get to where they're going and usually failing

But what's the rush?

 

[Philiz]

Kwaker's 3 types of wind are "too strong, too light & wrong direction" but he is quite wrong again (as usual) there IS a fourth type - "Just Perfect" and that's what we had several times during carefully planned passages last week. Just in case you lot haven't aready seen this, here is an example of "Just right" wind. That's 6-7kts, completely free propulsion, quite upright & perfectly silent (apart from the gentle splash of tonic in the gin.) We did around 100 miles in the week, to al the palces we wanted to vist & used about 3 squids worth of diesel - oh and absolutely nil spent on marina fees either.

Good for you young man, that's what it's all about IMHO

 

[hlb]

Get a saling dinghy Phil, sailing is loads of fun if not going anywhere.

 

[[2574]]

if not going anywhere.

You must be joking! See the below link for one example......

http://ourlifeatsea.com/route.html

 

[Philiz]

I'm only trying to save you from yourself.

Anyway, Mistique is back outside and is for sale again.

'ang on, I seem to remember a certain ex-military gent wanting to expand his fleet to include a raggie last year?

 

[Philiz]

Get a saling dinghy Phil, sailing is loads of fun if not going anywhere.

Ah but you don't need a sailing dinghy not to go anywhere. Lots of boats do that, mobos and raggies.

 

[TSB240]

Talk to Tom

Phil you need to compare notes with Tom.

Littlship travels at raggie speed plus a bit but not much

Dolphins prefer raggie speeds 6-8 knots.

So it took us 6 hours to get to PY from Pwllhelli when we could have done it in 10 mins in the car or 1 hour in a quick mobo.

I am now fully in awe of the power of Bardsey spring tides but we got them right in a 24 foot rag and stick.

We had a conversation(short) with a fisherman or two on the rocks as we sailed by close in.

Pub was still open, singing went on until 1.30 very melodic in wales you know.... even when drunk.

Tell you more raggie secrets if I meet you. The pull is strong once you understand it is not about how quick you get there but how you plan, what you see, who you meet, what you catch,what you hear.

Now the return journey in 6hp mobo mode was different.
Thats just a factor of pressure to be in a certain place by a certain time as work beckons a return to port.

We have an open cockpit (small) protected by a spray hood and I wore just shorts and tee shirt at all times when we were sailing last week! That includes coming through the rough stuff off the Tripods and Caernarfon Bar.

We still call it getting out of your comfort zone.......


Steve

 

[Philiz]

Phil you need to compare notes with Tom.

Littlship travels at raggie speed plus a bit but not much.

I know, I helmed LS from PD to Holyhead a few weeks ago. Very enjoyable it was too!

Tell you more raggie secrets if I meet you. The pull is strong once you understand it is not about how quick you get there but how you plan, what you see, who you meet, what you catch,what you hear.

Exactly!

 

[Searush]

(snip)
Now the return journey in 6hp mobo mode was different.
Thats just a factor of pressure to be in a certain place by a certain time as work beckons a return to port.

We have an open cockpit (small) protected by a spray hood and I wore just shorts and tee shirt at all times when we were sailing last week! That includes coming through the rough stuff off the Tripods and Caernarfon Bar.

We still call it getting out of your comfort zone.......


Steve

Glad you got back OK. You seemed to be sailing well as we passed just inshore of the Fort Belan Narrows on Sunday. Sorry we were too slow to get a pic of you for YBpix!. Good to meet you at the club.

 

[AndieMac]

I fear that you don't know Nauticat very well. There are two types of Nauticat:

1) The motorsailers which are the 33, 38, 44 models. This is the type that most people recognise as a Nauticat with a square structure over the helm which has a strong motor sailer look.

2) The pilot houses which are the 385, 39, 42 and 515. These are sailing boats with a pilot house configuration and more designed toward sailing than motoring.

The motorsailers are typicaly RCD Cat B because of the sliding side doors whereas the pilot houses are Cat A with the more traditional central companionway arrangement. If you have a look here: http://www.nauticat.com/Default.aspx?id=441000 you'll see the definition and designs as described by Nauticat.

Hope that helps.

rob

Interesting link Rob.

I hadn't seen the pilot-house version before, as the number of these vessels are relatively small in this country, and don't normally research yachts.
The wheel house side door did it for me, as I am keen on trawler-yachts and the big, relatively powerful engine to punch tides and head seas was also a winner for our location.
They do ask big dollars for them, but as with all boats, you pay for quality.

 

[AndieMac]

, why are there more raggies about than mobos?

The fuel cost has to be factor Phil. In the US where fuel is the cheapest, the mobos are numbers are huge. Even over here with moderate fuel costs the mobo ratio is high.

 

[Philiz]

, why are there more raggies about than mobos?

The fuel cost has to be factor Phil. In the US where fuel is the cheapest, the mobos are numbers are huge. Even over here with moderate fuel costs the mobo ratio is high.

I reckon you're right, fuel costs will be an influencing factor. But fuel charges have only recently escalated here due to the duty changes, however there were more raggies than mobos when fuel cost peanuts.

 

[fireball]

Fuel cost is a consideration - our last boat burned 2L/hr when the engine was on - and that was for 5-6kts through the water ... this one is nearer 3L/hr.
So - engine on costs me ~ £3/hr
12 hours to get across to Cherbourg - £36 in fuel - if I motor it ... if I sail it I would probably use around 2 hours - (1 hour either end) so cost is down to a piffling £6 for the same trip ... and with the right wind it will take the same time.

Plus - sailing it I don't get the drone of the engine noise .....

 

[Philiz]

Fuel cost is a consideration - our last boat burned 2L/hr when the engine was on - and that was for 5-6kts through the water ... this one is nearer 3L/hr.
So - engine on costs me ~ £3/hr
12 hours to get across to Cherbourg - £36 in fuel - if I motor it ... if I sail it I would probably use around 2 hours - (1 hour either end) so cost is down to a piffling £6 for the same trip ... and with the right wind it will take the same time.

Plus - sailing it I don't get the drone of the engine noise .....

looking more appealing by the minute! Is that with the Bavaria 37?

 

[fireball]

yup - 2.5/3L per hour on a Volvo 2030 - 30hp - less than some mobo's ice makers!
Cruising speed - 5 knots fouled - 6 knots clean - more in flat water.

Fillups are around £60-£80 two or 3 times a season - and that's without the discount prices in the CI's.

But - boating isn't all about the money - and there are times when it would be nice to zip across to StPP for a nice lunch, evening meal and back again the next day - can't do that easily in a sailboat (unless you have a Dragonfly Trimaran and the right wind!)

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

looking more appealing by the minute! Is that with the Bavaria 37?

This is a classic example of ManLogic ie using logic to justify what is in fact an emotional decision The cost of selling your existing boat, taking the depreciation hit, buying a new sailing boat and spending money on it to bring it up to your spec will far outweigh any fuel savings you make, even over several seasons. I use ManLogic to justify a new boat purchase to SWMBO every time but the truth is I just want a new boat

 

[fireball]

Oi ... stop that - he's on the hook and we're reeling him in nicely ....

 

[Searush]

I can endorse Fireball's general figures and Sea Rush is 31' with a new 30hp Yanmar 3YM. My old Volvo MD2B used slightly less, but was louder, slower, rattled like a elephant Irish dancing & was as reliable as an itinerant driveway paver . . .

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

But - boating isn't all about the money - and there are times when it would be nice to zip across to StPP for a nice lunch, evening meal and back again the next day - can't do that easily in a sailboat (unless you have a Dragonfly Trimaran and the right wind!)

Surely the answer for is one of these http://www.macgregor26.com/. Sail for a while and then when you get pissed off with sailing, wind her up to 20kts