The Croatian Government aree really pushing their luck now.....

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No,Simon.Yacht under Croatian flag must pay every year concession for charter bussines. For boat 12 m it costd about 2200 quids, but profit (or better income) from charter is about 18000 quids.
Is it more understandable now why croatian government would like to regulate black charter.
 
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Thank you to you and Medman for clarifying for the likes of me that it's about collecting taxes from foreign yachts, not about restricting (legal) foreign chartering. No doubt as you say they'll eventually work out a way of doing it that doesn't put off foreign yachts from visiting Croatia. That bottle of wine does sound tempting /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif))
 
You certainly have a point here

And you did not even mention the French, who still manage to impose rediculous papers no other country accepts like the Lettre de Pavillon. Quite idiotic. From the 1st of january 2006 this is going to change. But up to then, don't try and go to France without it....

And in Switzerland, you know, the thief is not welcome... But the lute is......

You cannot take pets with you to the UK. Yes you can, but only by ferry or by plane. You know why? To avoid rabies in the UK. But the UK never was rabies free.. Quite rediculous, too. But what can you do? Either accept it, or don't go there. And that goes for Croatia as well as any other country.

I think that former communist countries only very slowly manage to say good-bye to old-days bureaucracy. They will, though, eventually.

cheers
 
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The border as a physical barrier between Slovenia and Croatia is a recent, post-Yugoslavia invention. Under Yugoslavia, it was invisible; under Italy (pre 1945), it was invisible; under Austria-Hungary (pre 1918), it was invisible. Under the sovereign states until last year, the main roads had border controls, BUT a few of the secondary roads did not, and the border was invisible (and this was a great way to avoid the hordes of tourists clogging the main roads, although technically not really allowed!). Now that Slovenia is in the EU, not only do all the roads have border posts, but only the local residents are allowed to use the secondary ones. There's progress for you!
The point being, where there's a way, the bureaucrats (from east or west) will find a way of blocking it!
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Agree. Borders are rest of last century political decisions. Governments have much better ways to colect taxes or catching drug dealers.
Borders are reasons for wars in the past.
Today, they stops traffic and are expencive plus they tear in human rights!
Let them out !
 
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This is the response we got from our marina in Croatia when we asked whether we would be able to update the crew list during the season.

"The new procedure is:you will have to go to the Port Master Office and there apply
for the VIGNETE ( permit ) and all necessary documents will be issue by the Port capt.
It is true that the crew should be registered at the beginning of the season ,
but we hope and believe that sonn of this regulations will be changed.
Best regards ,"

Sounds like there may already be a bit of a backlash against the law, but who knows how long a change would take were it to happen. I expect that if harbourmasters know that the law is bad and to be changed they will generally take a relaxed view, but it does still leave open the possibility for individual HMs to make trouble if they feel so inclined.

In our case I think we will submit a crew list of the co-owners and families and hope to get guests added ad hoc during the season. In my case the only guests we definitely have joining us include a member of a prominent Croatian family and I am hopeful that should smooth the way, but I would be very anxious taking anyone else and not knowing whether we could embark them without risking a fine (or worse).

I fully respect the Croatian government's right to try to control illegal chartering but hope they will find a way to do so that does not penalise the growing number of people like us who choose to buy a share in a boat rather than chartering.
 
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I have just arrived back from croatia this evening.
having been to view my new boat i brought in january
i have always found the croatian people very welcoming, and very helpful.
they put us english to shame as they all speak english and if they dont they phone someone who does.
buying the boat from another croatian was very easy and all the offical paper work was available quikly and easily.
i welcome the fact that they try to police the waters as hopefully this leads to safe voyages.
we were able to add crew members as the year went on last year .
we are lucky in that we will not have more than double berth capicity in one year.
i think it is a pity that this post has been so negative towards croatia
but i welcome the fact that they maybe less crowded waters in the high season.
because it really is a beautiful country with great people.
 
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And why should foreign yachts not be allowed to charter in croatia anyway? There is nothing to stop croatians from chartering out yachts in Britain, or other European countries. We do not recognise the idea of a 'black charter market'.


How many Croatian boat owners in their right mind would leave their magical waters to go sailing in Britain?? yuk, one way traffic only!
 
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Problem is in coast capacity! This is not one way traffic.This is "multiple one way traffic" on same location.
 
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