The Channel to Spain - AGAIN - Sorry

I am sorry if the brevity of my post appeared acerbic. Let me take the two queries you raised in turn. First, the wind. Unless you are unbelievably lucky, you will have periods when you will have no choice but to sail in force 6 for an extended time. You are also likely to have to sail in gales. Everyone tries to avoid this by waiting for settled weather and listening to weather forecasts but eventually your luck will run out. This may be during your first year or your twentieth. Some people take this in their stride, for some the experience gives them a new level of confidence, others have their confidence destroyed forever. (The replies to your original post reflected this range of reactions.) Unless you are prepared to accept that you could have sustained and unavoidable strong winds, you should not go.

Second, laundry. I did not give laundry a thought before I left home and have not given it a thought since. I used a washing machine on my first yacht but now use a laundry, pontoon taps, mountain streams, marina washrooms as available Washing is just not an issue. I have been at plenty of anchorages where the hot topic was the wind, the holding, the route to the next port, or where to get a sail repaired but never the location of a laundry.

In my limited experience there are two main reasons for people to abandon the live aboard lifestyle. The first is that they experience worse winds than they had hoped and would rather not put themselves through that experience again. The second is that they are not sufficiently flexible on minor day-to-day domestic issues and these become major problems.

This might not be the response for which you hoped. Leaving home on an extended cruise is a huge decision which will probably determine the shape of the rest of your life. I believe that anyone who has the doubts that you have expressed is probably better advised to spend more time on shorter cruises in varying conditions and circumstances closer to home before making the commitment to live aboard.
I am sorry if the brevity of my post appeared acerbic. Let me take the two queries you raised in turn. First, the wind. Unless you are unbelievably lucky, you will have periods when you will have no choice but to sail in force 6 for an extended time. You are also likely to have to sail in gales. Everyone tries to avoid this by waiting for settled weather and listening to weather forecasts but eventually your luck will run out. This may be during your first year or your twentieth. Some people take this in their stride, for some the experience gives them a new level of confidence, others have their confidence destroyed forever. (The replies to your original post reflected this range of reactions.) Unless you are prepared to accept that you could have sustained and unavoidable strong winds, you should not go.

Second, laundry. I did not give laundry a thought before I left home and have not given it a thought since. I used a washing machine on my first yacht but now use a laundry, pontoon taps, mountain streams, marina washrooms as available Washing is just not an issue. I have been at plenty of anchorages where the hot topic was the wind, the holding, the route to the next port, or where to get a sail repaired but never the location of a laundry.

In my limited experience there are two main reasons for people to abandon the live aboard lifestyle. The first is that they experience worse winds than they had hoped and would rather not put themselves through that experience again. The second is that they are not sufficiently flexible on minor day-to-day domestic issues and these become major problems.

This might not be the response for which you hoped. Leaving home on an extended cruise is a huge decision which will probably determine the shape of the rest of your life. I believe that anyone who has the doubts that you have expressed is probably better advised to spend more time on shorter cruises in varying conditions and circumstances closer to home before making the commitment to live aboard.
 
We've lived on board for 15 years and are now on our second "butter churn" washing machine. We are quite happy to scrub our smalls on the pontoon too!

At the end of the day it comes down to budget - some friends of ours treated themselves to a service wash in St Lucia after a transatlantic and it cost them fifty US dollars! This is a substantial amount if you cruise frugally.

It all depends whether you are on a "dinners ashore, pay a man to antifoul, get your laundry done" budget or a spending time to save money budget.

If you are on a tight budget the "butter churn" is a good investment.
 
I feel such a scruff reading all this laundry stuff. In warm climates I just put the smalls under my feet when I shower ashore and have a good stomp - hmm - perhaps that's why people don't come too close?

Depends what sort of live-aboard you are too. There's the high power type (100AH plus a day, air conditioners, freezers, watermakers, TV, diesel genny beavering away in the background) and then there are the scruffs (60AH a day or under, fridge, lights . . . ummm.)
 
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Second, laundry. I did not give laundry a thought before I left home and have not given it a thought since. I used a washing machine ........

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Maybe, Jim, but you keep a home going in the UK and haven't normally spent all year afloat. Those of us who have literally 'sold up and sailed' have boats that are also our only home. Who would have a home without a washing machine, adequate water, heating, TV, Video, Audio, PCs, etc?

You shouldn't compare the needs of people who only use their boats for holidays (albeit long ones) with those whose boat is their only home.
 
Small electric washing machines are fine for in a marina I guess, but when at anchor the Wonderwash comes into its own: it uses little water, it gets the clothes cleaner than a hand wash. When in a marina I take the heavy stuff to a launderette, which are ususally easily found.
We leave the boat for July/August, sometimes in the water, sometimes on the hard. There has never been a problem with finding a suitable berth/liftout.
Enjoy the trip!
 
um, this is just worrying about things for the sake of it. Face it, you're nervous. That's fine. Address that, not the non-problem of washing clothes. They wash their clothes in every other country of the world.
 
Hi tcm
No... I'm not worrying.. really I'm not! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
It's just that, in the past, I've found it an annoying inconvenience to have to find a marina or town with a launderette every week or two. And when I did, I found it expensive. So I just wanted to know how others have dealt with the situation. Whether the Wonderwash was an acceptable solution or if, during this winter's lay-up, I ought to be trying to shoe-horn in another bit of kit. The responses have made it perfectly clear to me that, for run of the mill stuff, it's fine.
So...Job done.
As for being nervous... I'm not that either. Apprehensive? Maybe... but don't we all feel a bit like that when doing something new? And the sea can be a little unforgiving. But thanks for your response though.
Cheers
Cliff
 
washing machines ????
jeez lol.
Nope, bucket soak for an hour or two, then rinse under the pontoon tap, hang on the rails to dry, if it rains its an extra rinse.
it really is not a problem.. mind you, we see some come of the boat dressed for the snottie yottie club, now they would need a serious laundry facility.. actually once met one boat with an iron on board... wtff ???
we dont carry that many clothes anyway, certainly no "dress" clothes....
just go for it Cliff, enjoy, its what YOU make of it, its not a club to join... make your own life out of it.
 
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Apprehensive? Maybe... but don't we all feel a bit like that when doing something new?

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Think you've hit the nail on the head there, Cliff. And get used to the idea, I find cruising is living a life where 'new' is normal day to day life. Strangely addictive, don't think I'd find it easy to go back now. One of the bits I like is in many ways the lack of choice. No washing machines in town this week so you deal with it. Personally, I'm quite attached to my bucket, it's all in the rinse though! No choice so you deal with what's in front of you and stop worrying about making the wrong choice and just sort it out. You might find that the apprehension doesn't disappear when you set off but just gets more finely tuned to the more pressing matters of day to day life. Like the weather forecast for the next passage and and internet access so you can spend your days in paradise online gabbing away in forums like this /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Padz - Conachair
 
Clothes are only a small proportion of things that need washing when living aboard. Dust is ever-present in the eastern Med and almost everything seems to take on a muddy look after a short while. Sweating in higher ambient temperatures is inevitable, so bedding needs regular washing if 'dog-kennel' conditions are to be avoided. Towels soon begin to look black and it doesn't take long for them to be so overloaded with salt that they can't dry themselves, never mind a user.

Fortunately, Wonderwash can cope with all of these, although its capacity is rather limited. Example shows bedding drying after washing, hoping the thunder keeps off for long enough to dry it all.
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Ahha, an interesting issue...
Sweat, bodily odours etc etc..
heres the low down........ /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Soap !

What you say ?? yes, soap and water..

Commercialism and consumerism strikes its ugly head into cruising !... stop press !... products cause odours !!!

Slarty has finally lost it.. well no really lol...

the more you use "products" (for underarm, intimate ????, scalp, feet, cuticles and nostrils etc), the more you stink ! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

thats how the industry makes its money !... the chemicals are DESIGNED to work for around 12 to 24 hours, then leave you , errr, susceptible to odours (Caused BY the chemical breakdown),

dont believe me ??? then try it... wash with a bar of neutral soap, nothing more... REAL bodily odour is actually quite nice and normal... before you rush out with the air freshner, I am talking natural odour... not artificial.... we can be bludgeoned into believing thant ANY odour is bad.. , ahhh, the old world.. but no, its not, bad odours are err, well, bad, but natural odours are fine.. the chemicals used, as said, CAUSE the bad odours in the first place, they are designed to do just that, to make you reuse them.
I used to have stinky feet (Sounds like an AA admission lol) !!!, I wash with plain soap, I dont wear socks, me deck shoes semll like they came from the factory 3 years on.. seriously ! , I can wear trainers for years with absolutely no odour, the minute you use "products", off you go on a vicious spiral or stink or reuse... the bedding is the same.. yes, of course it needs washing occasionaly, but if it stinks like a dog kennel, look at your product useage.

Capt´n Slarty of the Stinkship Ruddles,,,, Aha !!! splice me mainbrace with a bottle of body wash..... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Our boat is our only home, we don,t miss a tv, video or washing machine, not even when we had the space on the first F. T. and haven,t missed them a bit, over the last 12yrs.
We have never had any sort of washing machine Cliff, as said in warm climes laundry isn,t a big problem, in port it,s always cheap and easy to find a laundry/laundrete, not worth the time and effort on board except for smalls.
Re haul out or not, we only haul out for the essentials, apart from cost it,s very inconvenient living aboard on the hard.
 
Nobody I know would say that laundrettes are 'cheap' here in Spain A couple of decent loads cost €10+++ Where have you found 'cheap' laundrettes in Spain, and roughly what did you pay?
 
Cap'n Slarty,
Oh my..
I sort of see where you're coming from on this one. But washing the bedding "occasionally" is a bit of a worry! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Particularly in the warmer climes. But I have to say, this isn't half of the worry I feel at the somewhat alarming interest you seem to have on this subject.
It sounds a bit compulsive absessive to me, especially as no one has actually raised this particular area of the topic.
I might not have a very high level of personal hygiene... but if I pong then I'll do something about it. I mean... my personal body odour might not be to everyones liking. And I hesitate to suggest it... but neither might not yours. Just a thought. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
We very seldom pay €5 a load for laundry, €3-4 at the moment, but even €5 I would not regard as expensive, (even on my budget) surely, for the convenience, no genny, no watermaker, no washing machine, no noise, no boat looking like a chinese laundry. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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