henryf
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Final Cut Pro 10
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Henry
The Caribbean this Christmas
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Final Cut Pro 10
I use a tiny portion of the editing power but find it easy to use.
Henry
AndieMac
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Ha ha
Having buttered up the captain by getting his train set round the bottom of the Christmas tree to stop de-railing I asked if it was ok to film on a bridge tour and was told yes.
The trick is not making it look like you were on a bridge tour or enjoying the galley lunch.
Henry
With all the quality promotional footage you have produced with previous cruises with the company, I thought you may have been put on the payroll as a contract producer and given access to all areas
henryf
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With all the quality promotional footage you have produced with previous cruises with the company, I thought you may have been put on the payroll as a contract producer and given access to all areas
Sadly not
Quite fancy working with them to offer photography and video talks / workshops onboard though. They do a thing whereby you wander round markets with the chef buying food, it would be interesting to do a similar thing with cameras wandering round some of the ports of call helping people to make better holiday videos.
Henry
henryf
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H, from your experience and based on the slider you have what is a length worth having?
I doubt that the .6m that SM has is long enough, but otoh 500+ for a slider are a lot!
Someone should built a foldable carbon slider at least 1.2m to make it worth it (and all that for a couple of hundred
cheers
V.
Sorry for the delay in responding. I needed to make sure I was correct but I have the 80cm version of the K5 slider. You actually don't need anything massively long for many of the shots, it's all about positioning the camera in relation to foreground / more distant objects. In particular use materials with different opacity. The shot near the beginning where I moved to a net fabric whilst filming the beach is a good example. I remember a shot in Italy where I filmed through the wind shield of a moped then slid across to a clear view up the street. That didn't need a huge length of travel.
Cost wise I think the K5 was in the upper £200 - £300 mark.
Henry
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Richard.C
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I take a tripod and a slider with me. The tripod fits in a suitcase, the slider comes on as hand luggage.
Most of the stuff is shot using a Canon EOS 70D, some of the Island footage is a hand held camcorder.
Henry
Henry,
I see a lot of people using digital SLR camera's for video (such as your EOS 70D) particularly some of the Youtuber's. Is the SLR better for video than a digital camcorder? Why would you choose one over the other?
I have a couple of cheap Gopro copies to play with for wet areas but am thinking about a better video camera.
Thanks
Richard
henryf
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There's nothing wrong per-se with a good camcorder, I used one for some of the shots whilst out & about. Get one with built in stabilisation f you can. The risk wit h a camcorder is you end up spraying t around like a hosepipe and that is not going to make good video.
With DSLR cameras you are forced to think a bit more about picture composition. You can also use a variety of lenses to get the right feel for your shot be that depth of field, exposure framing and so on. It allows you to co from very wide angle to extreme telephoto. I find the actual image produced is pleasing as well. I'm not really into post production colour balancing and so on.
The GoPro is in my humble opinion a tool in the box rather than a one stop solution. Being wide angle it produces a particular type of image which makes capturing detail or atmosphere difficult. Mobile phones have a similar problem and of course the size of the hole which lets in light is tiny on a phone.
I did attend a course tun by Canon at Pinewood last year which looked at the more professional cross over DSLR / video camera options. For the moment and for what I do the EOS 70D does the job. Tha said I was tempted
Henry
With DSLR cameras you are forced to think a bit more about picture composition. You can also use a variety of lenses to get the right feel for your shot be that depth of field, exposure framing and so on. It allows you to co from very wide angle to extreme telephoto. I find the actual image produced is pleasing as well. I'm not really into post production colour balancing and so on.
The GoPro is in my humble opinion a tool in the box rather than a one stop solution. Being wide angle it produces a particular type of image which makes capturing detail or atmosphere difficult. Mobile phones have a similar problem and of course the size of the hole which lets in light is tiny on a phone.
I did attend a course tun by Canon at Pinewood last year which looked at the more professional cross over DSLR / video camera options. For the moment and for what I do the EOS 70D does the job. Tha said I was tempted
Henry
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Richard.C
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Thanks Henry,
I've never been much into photography but have had camcorders off and on over the years.
There's just such a vast array of different camera's, specifications and options and at quite high prices that it's difficult to have confidence in a decision when it's not a subject you know much about.
Given my likely usage I think a camcorder would probably suit but even then the choices are huge. One of my concerns with a camcorder is wind noise as it seems most only have internal microphones and no way to use an external mic with good windsock. Then there's the choice of 1080P or 4K, I'm not sure I need the quality of 4K but I wonder if the ability to shoot 1080P at 60fps that 4K camera's give would mean better action/slow motion video?
Decisions...decisions......
I've never been much into photography but have had camcorders off and on over the years.
There's just such a vast array of different camera's, specifications and options and at quite high prices that it's difficult to have confidence in a decision when it's not a subject you know much about.
Given my likely usage I think a camcorder would probably suit but even then the choices are huge. One of my concerns with a camcorder is wind noise as it seems most only have internal microphones and no way to use an external mic with good windsock. Then there's the choice of 1080P or 4K, I'm not sure I need the quality of 4K but I wonder if the ability to shoot 1080P at 60fps that 4K camera's give would mean better action/slow motion video?
Decisions...decisions......
vas
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Sorry for the delay in responding. I needed to make sure I was correct but I have the 80cm version of the K5 slider. You actually don't need anything massively long for many of the shots, it's all about positioning the camera in relation to foreground / more distant objects. In particular use materials with different opacity. The shot near the beginning where I moved to a net fabric whilst filming the beach is a good example. I remember a shot in Italy where I filmed through the wind shield of a moped then slid across to a clear view up the street. That didn't need a huge length of travel.
Cost wise I think the K5 was in the upper £200 - £300 mark.
Henry
Thanks, I'll investigate further on them, 200-300 is fine, on googling I came up to 500 though, will check harder when I consider it seriously!
There's nothing wrong per-se with a good camcorder, I used one for some of the shots whilst out & about. Get one with built in stabilisation f you can. The risk wit h a camcorder is you end up spraying t around like a hosepipe and that is not going to make good video.
With DSLR cameras you are forced to think a bit more about picture composition. You can also use a variety of lenses to get the right feel for your shot be that depth of field, exposure framing and so on. It allows you to co from very wide angle to extreme telephoto. I find the actual image produced is pleasing as well. I'm not really into post production colour balancing and so on.
The GoPro is in my humble opinion a tool in the box rather than a one stop solution. Being wide angle it produces a particular type of image which makes capturing detail or atmosphere difficult. Mobile phones have a similar problem and of course the size of the hole which lets in light is tiny on a phone.
I did attend a course tun by Canon at Pinewood last year which looked at the more professional cross over DSLR / video camera options. For the moment and for what I do the EOS 70D does the job. Tha said I was tempted
Henry
+1000
when I switched from a Nikormat SLR (talking 80s now) to a Hasselblad 500C (still have it!) I was really blown away by the different perspective of having the camera lower, posture, viewing angle not straight at what you were shooting and of course the large viewfinder, 5+inch compared to one eye through a tiny hole on the slrs... and a few more. I was composing shots all the time. Then it was darkroom techniques, dealing with a massive sheet of a film, etc...
I never really enjoyed camcorders and caught myself trying to assemble the frame in a photographic manner and tended to not move the thing a lot or do short travels and pans.
One thing for the camcorders versus DSLRs is that zoom is smoother (at least on the lowish end ones I've tried) and they don't heat up in video mode.
cheers
V.
Bouba
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It makes you want to go cruising more than anything they show on the Cruise Channel
henryf
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But then I would argue that zooming and filming at the same time might not be a great idea. Just as with waving the camcorder around zooming in or out is a great way to ruin your shot. Is there a way to tell the story without boring people with a long drawn out zoom ?
With the DSLR you are, for the most part forced to find a shot that works without zoom.
Henry
Richard.C
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Quick question for you Henry:
I've been looking at Canon DSLR's and possibly narrowed my search to the 800D. I notice they have a video record time limit and also a file size limit, approximately 30 minutes and 4Gb respectively depending on resolution used etc, so limits can actually be much less. I saw one person comment less than 10 minutes record at 1080P. I don't think this is likely to be an issue as I'm not looking to record a football match or F1 Grandprix but would be interested in your real world experience on this.
I've been looking at Canon DSLR's and possibly narrowed my search to the 800D. I notice they have a video record time limit and also a file size limit, approximately 30 minutes and 4Gb respectively depending on resolution used etc, so limits can actually be much less. I saw one person comment less than 10 minutes record at 1080P. I don't think this is likely to be an issue as I'm not looking to record a football match or F1 Grandprix but would be interested in your real world experience on this.
Piers
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Hi. I use the Canon 7D MkII which has the same limitation you mention. However, it's easy to plaice the files to create one video. You lose nothing.
Richard.C
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Thanks Piers, does the camera just stop recording when it reaches the limit or does it automatically start a new record cycle?
MrB
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The maximum movie length at full HD is 11 minutes (that's how long it takes for the file to reach 4 gigabytes, which is the file size limit). When you reach that limit, the camera creates a new movie file to hold the next 11 minutes of video. Recording stops automatically when the recording time reaches 29 minutes and 59 seconds.
Also you need a fast memory card, above class 6 or you get buffer under-run.
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Richard.C
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So to make sure I understand if you set the camera recording you will record 29 minutes and 59 seconds of video but if at full HD that time will be split across 4 separate files?
Thanks all for the clarifications on how these cameras record video.
MrB
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Well 3 continuous files i guess, 11, 22 then 7.59 mins. (At full HD) I'm no expert though, Henry would know more. There is nothing stopping you just restarting the video so it does it all again until your card or battery runs out. I have never filmed that long though.
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Richard.C
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Haha... I'll call that a Sunday brain fart, yes 3 files.
Appreciate all the help, it makes more sense now.
MrB
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You can't go far wrong with the cameras, they are excellent amateur or pro. Very easy to use. Do get a good memory card though, I use Sandisk Extreme. (Class 10)
Piers
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Happens automatically. Nothing for you to do.
rafiki_
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Sorry Henry, late to this. Looked like a fantastic cruise. Great vid as ever, many thanks. Your efforts to ensure our wintry blues are uplifted is exemplary. Such dedication!