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EASLOOP

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Right people - the main question is:

What is the best manual toilet available on the market today?

I have a baby Blake but a refurb kit for it costs more than a complete new loo from someone like Jabsco, lavac etc. Also the white enamel has come off and the exposed metal is going green - bright green infact.

Waiting your opinion with open arms.
 
When my Baby Blake goes to the big bog in the sky I will replace with a Lavac.
So simple to use even the memsahib will be able to flush. The pump is separate item which means maintenance and replacement will be a doddle.
 
Rebuld your baby blake, you will not regret it. You can get the bronze bits re-coated. or even just wire brush and paint with white smoothrite (hammerite without the hammered effect) Get the chrome bits re-chromed and it will do another 30 years.
Lavacs are great, apparently, but I still dont like them.
 
We buy the cheapest Jabsco (about £100) then replace when worn out. Takes about 10 years in my experience. We did about 30k sea miles with bog no. 1 and have now done about 10k sea miles with bog no. 2.

Never had any problems plus neither get any service other than a drop of olive oil every now and then to lubricate the pump.
 
I know what you mean. I do cherish the blake but cost is an issue. I treat the poor thing like a poor relation, lock it in the broom cupboard, throw rubbish at it yet it keeps coming back for more!?

Decisions decisions.
 
I would sell the Blake on eBay, you should get sufficient to buy a new Lavac so you'll be quids in. Did I mention a Lavac? They are much cheaper now - under £200.
 
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We buy the cheapest Jabsco (about £100) then replace when worn out. Takes about 10 years in my experience. We did about 30k sea miles with bog no. 1 and have now done about 10k sea miles with bog no. 2.

Never had any problems plus neither get any service other than a drop of olive oil every now and then to lubricate the pump.

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Hi Chris,

I take your point re changing the head every 10 years or so, but bear in mind that with a Lavac you wouldn't have to do that. I sure there are many others on here with similar experiences, but our Lavac has been in commission since 1984, including almost ten years full time cruising, and is still in excellent condition.

In that time we've replaced a single pump diaphram, and two joker and flap valves. It has never blocked or required anything other than the foregoing and a regular dose of white vinegar to keep the pipes clear.

Aside from its utter simplicity, by far the main advantage is that ANYONE can come aboard and use it straightaway with the absolute minimum of instruction. I mean, 'close the lid and pump' is easy enough for anyone, and is even simpler than the 'Jabsco' operation type that were fitted in my first two boats.

I'm glad you're happy with the Jabsco type and they've clearly served you well, but in my experience there is simply no contest.

Cheers Jerry
 
Well I must be the exception that proves the rule. We threw ours off because it was unreliable and blocked easily. Hence Mr Jabsco gets our business. Must have been a Friday afternoon bog....
 
How do you clean a vacuum bog?

When cleaning with ASDA's own brand bleach free lavatory cleaner (cheap and seems to work well) I will use a bog brush and be flushing through fresh sea water at the same time.. You can't do this with the lid down?

Also, what if the bowl blocks, can you push water through in a vacuum model?

I am just interested, it has always made me wonder how restrictive lavacs might be in day to day running?

Added to that, when dried out (the boat), we can still flush the bog with use of bucket of water collected when afloat, can you do this with a vacuum bog?
 
Have to give the big thumbs up for the LAVAC. Very simple to operate plus has the added bonus of becoming an additional bilge pump ! So far over 20 years of trouble free use and abuse.
 
Lavac has a valve in the outlet pipe beyond the pump to release pressure. Heads has never blocked with lid stuck - in fact rarely blocks at all.

Yes you can still use it by chucking a bucket of water down.

To clean we flush and leave bowl with water, add cleaner and scrub etc. then just pump out.

It is actually very straight forward. Only downside if you are impatient is waiting for the pressure to release which can seem like hours but in reality is only seconds!
 
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How do you clean a vacuum bog?

When cleaning with ASDA's own brand bleach free lavatory cleaner (cheap and seems to work well) I will use a bog brush and be flushing through fresh sea water at the same time.. You can't do this with the lid down?

Also, what if the bowl blocks, can you push water through in a vacuum model?

I am just interested, it has always made me wonder how restrictive lavacs might be in day to day running?

Added to that, when dried out (the boat), we can still flush the bog with use of bucket of water collected when afloat, can you do this with a vacuum bog?

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Clean as above (should it ever need it) then put lid down & flush thro. Simples

Bowl will not block, the direct pump action is very effective & there are no bottlenecks in the pipework/valves. A couple of good pumps simply suck EVERYTHING out of the bowl. Henderson pumps are very simple, efficient & unblockable with normal use.

Restrictive? err in what way? It is totally reliable and deals with the biggest dumps & kids that use armfulls of loo paper.

Of course you can pour sea water in from a bucket & flush it. That's what I do if the inlet isn't underwater.

My Lavac is original (35 years old) and has only needed new seat seals and a replacement pump diaphragm (home made because they don't offer spares for the mk3 pump). I wouldn't even consider anything else now.
 
Another vote for Lavac here. In our case we use a single Lavac pump to (a) pump out the loo direct to sea (b) Pump to a holding tank and (c) Pump out the holding tank. Actions (b) and (c) require a couple of diverter valves in the system. However it is dead simple, pretty much foolproof ( although it does not like wet wipes). The Zenith model is more expensive but is British made and has a bigger bowl ( for bigger bums). The Popular is the cheapest. The pump is the old faithful Henderson Mk 5 in sanitary trim.
 
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