Sandflea
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What are people's thoughts on boats of this size?
The best 20-22 foot boat
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BGW
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For what purpose? - It will vary on what you intend to do with it.
Sailing, fishing, skiing, weekending?
Sandflea
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I wasn't looking for specific pointers, just a discussion about hurleys, pandoras, corribees etc. Relative merits, strenghts, weaknesses.
I'd probably say Pandora because of the mix of speed and seaworthiness. Cheap, too.
Sorry, I should have specified sail, I forgot PBO was polinautical!
I'd probably say Pandora because of the mix of speed and seaworthiness. Cheap, too.
Sorry, I should have specified sail, I forgot PBO was polinautical!
sailorman
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A Cinder 22 very seaworthy,quick + inboard engine
Sans Bateau
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Etap 21 or 22, just a thought, no one else will mention it so I thought I would. More seaworthy and quicker than those already mentioned perhaps.
Little Five
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Hurley 22 good solid boat, not quick like say Anderson 22. Corribee a fantastic seaworthy craft, plenty around west coast of scotland which says a lots- that goes for the hurley also. others to consider seal 22 and Jouster. Out of them all, for me it would be between corribee and hurley. Once looked at a Pandora which was an absolute heap- not 1 saving grace for the deluded princely sum of 5500.00. What a waste of petrol. The pandora is a good boat though. One more has come to mind-the Splinter- Van der Stat design, I think and although never sailed one, always thought it looked a good boat. There was a PBO report on one a good few years ago.
Tranona
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No such thing as "best" - if there was, there would only be one design of boat made. Dozens of different designs in this size range are still giving good service - which you choose depends on so many variables that it has to be your choice, not somebody elses.
There are already 10 nominations from other people and the thread is only a few hours old.
There are already 10 nominations from other people and the thread is only a few hours old.
johnalison
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I had a Westerly Cirrus in the 70s. Several hundred were built and they had a lot to offer. Much more headroom than most of the boats mentioned; fin keel; 10hp diesel; separate heads; lots of stowage, and sailed very well - at least as fast as the Hurley 22 and capable of making Channel crossings.
Little Rascal
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Best for you though - what do you want to do with it?
Cobra
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Lots of options to choose from, but in the end it has to be down to your own gut feeling about a boat. We have recently changed down to a smaller boat, and were looking in the size region of 22-24 footers.
Your budget will decide what sort of vintage to a lesser or greater extent, but that having been said you should be able to pick up a half decent example of something in the size range you are suggesting for +/- £4,000.
What to look at?
Leisure 22 (forget the 23 unless you are happy spending £8k!)
Leisure 20
Hurley 22
Westerly Jouster
Etap22
Corribee
Anderson 22
Seal 22
Pandora
We settled on the Hurley 22 as she offered a good solid pedigree and even though technically a MAB (manky awld boat) new parts (hatch mouldings etc ) are still available as new boats are still available...that in itself says something of the longevity of the design. You get a lot of boat for your money with the H22, and if you were to take a look at the Hurley Owners Association website www.hurleyownersassociation.co.uk under the boats for sale section you would see two H22's at under £2,500...
Your budget will decide what sort of vintage to a lesser or greater extent, but that having been said you should be able to pick up a half decent example of something in the size range you are suggesting for +/- £4,000.
What to look at?
Leisure 22 (forget the 23 unless you are happy spending £8k!)
Leisure 20
Hurley 22
Westerly Jouster
Etap22
Corribee
Anderson 22
Seal 22
Pandora
We settled on the Hurley 22 as she offered a good solid pedigree and even though technically a MAB (manky awld boat) new parts (hatch mouldings etc ) are still available as new boats are still available...that in itself says something of the longevity of the design. You get a lot of boat for your money with the H22, and if you were to take a look at the Hurley Owners Association website www.hurleyownersassociation.co.uk under the boats for sale section you would see two H22's at under £2,500...
Ubergeekian
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I have a Jouster (no reasonable offer refused). Lovely wee boat. Built like a tank, once you've stuck the keel on properly and goes like stink. Appearance a bit dated but still quite pretty, I think. The Corribee hull is lovely, but I always thought the mast needed to be a foot further back for appearance. The Coromandel (junk rigged) version appeals more as I get older, for some reason.
I'd also look at the Anderson 22. I've never been in one, but they were designed by the wonderful Oliver Lee and so ought to be brilliant. They have a very strong owner's club.
I haven't really followed smaller boats for a while (I've had the Jouster for 20 years) but owners of the Hunter/Red Fox in its various guises seem to rave about them. The wee Cornish Crabbers are nice (if you don't believe that there's nothing naffer than a plastic gaffer) and my friend's CC17 is superbly built, but they are mind-bogglingly expensive.
In short, OP, there are thousands of excellent boats in that length range out there, and the older ones (especially my Jouster) will give you super sailing for naff all money.
Sandflea
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I thought the Coromandel looked interesting too, with the added benefit of a bigger cabin due to a longer coachrooof I believe. Does anybody know how the one of these that did the Jester got on?
Personally I'd go for a bilge keel on a boat of that size. If you're keeping the budget low you might as well get a cheap drying mooring. Somehow I'm not sure I'd trust a lifting keel and associated hole in the boat!
Interesting to hear the bad reports of Pandoras. Saying that, I'm from North Wales where there are Pandoras all over the place. How do people rate their seaworthiness? The international has more ballast than mk1 I believe. The splinter, which I think someone here mentioned, is a later development of the Pandora I think.
There's some good chat going, thanks chaps!
Personally I'd go for a bilge keel on a boat of that size. If you're keeping the budget low you might as well get a cheap drying mooring. Somehow I'm not sure I'd trust a lifting keel and associated hole in the boat!
Interesting to hear the bad reports of Pandoras. Saying that, I'm from North Wales where there are Pandoras all over the place. How do people rate their seaworthiness? The international has more ballast than mk1 I believe. The splinter, which I think someone here mentioned, is a later development of the Pandora I think.
There's some good chat going, thanks chaps!
Little Rascal
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Roger Taylor's site www.thesimplesailor.com is pretty impressive....
PeteCooper
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No that's not right - the Splinter was first built in 1965 which is earlier than the first Pandora.
PeteCooper
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Depending on your criteria, and a lot of posts talk about performance and seaworthiness, then a Mini Transat would be the beast to go for:
http://www.minitransat650.com/html/design.html
http://www.minitransat650.com/html/design.html
sailorman
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when built in Holland they were called "Sprinter"
Those UK built were named "Pandora"
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electrosys
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My vote is for the Coromandel, but the Kingfisher 20/20+/JR is certainly worth considering.
For trailer-sailing, the Drascombe Longboat/ Coaster would be my choice.
For trailer-sailing, the Drascombe Longboat/ Coaster would be my choice.
PeteCooper
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2nd_apprentice
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Bit unusual and probably hard to find over here but I always liked the look of the Flicka 20.
For practical reasons however I'd settle for a Coromandel or Kingfisher.
For practical reasons however I'd settle for a Coromandel or Kingfisher.
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