The anchoring debate - a truly worldwide subject

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Old ideas (especially regarding seamanship) are very rarely wrong.

Time, not theories, prove the effectiveness of systems and practices.

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Bonjour Glyka,

You are perfectly right.. not only concerning seamanship..

But during so many years.. poeple have think that the earth was a flat disc.. and some have been killed for having said that it was a sphere!..

Same apply to anchors.. during thousands years, poeple have been using (and are still using in some places) heavy stones to anchor their boat.. and haviest the stone better the holding..

And so many sailors are still believing in WEIGHT for holding..

It is well proved now that holding has very few relation with weight..

I can take plenty of other examples.. Things are changing. Earth is no longer a "Flat disk" and many "old theories about anchoring have proved to be wrong too..

And when "fighting" over my ideas.. I have nothing to sell.. :0)
 
Thanks for your reply, hylas.
I know I have many things yet to learn. Any day that passes without me learning something new is a small disappointment.

Thanks for the photo. That design of anchor is new to me. It doesn't look much like a Bruce. Maybe it's an Australian anchor? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
The big Bruces I have worked with look very much like the one I have on my boat (35kg) except that the shank is an open steel frame instead of being a solid casting.

Please note that I said 'I have experience of'. I did not say 'I am an expert'. Semantics maybe, but .......

I think I'm all talked out now, so I'll leave the field to you.
Off to bed, said Zebedee. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
You'll all probably be unsuprised to hear that the debate on the SSCA board rumbles on, a bit like this one really.

FWIW, I reckon that anchoring is part gear, part technique, and mostly confidence in the execution of the technique apporopriate to the gear. The one thing I am sure of is that we will still be debatnig this topic in years to come.
 
Hi Chris, I quite agree. Having the right gear for your particular boat and knowing how to deploy it properly for the anticipated conditions. Simple really! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
I add my agreement too.

It is a concern that some (one?) are so commited to pushing advice that is contrary to professional practice. In the end, I guess, most do not end up anchoring for more than lunch stops or sheltered overnights (in our waters that means anything less than 40 knots) so no great harm.

John
 
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It is a concern that some (one?) are so commited to pushing advice that is contrary to professional practice.
John

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Hi John ships_Cat.

I suppose the "one" you are talking about could be "ME"?? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Thanks for the comments.. but I will continue to pushing advice that is contrary to (what you call) "professional practice", and what I call "conservatisme"..

I started 10 years ago, saying that holding has nearly no relation with the anchor weight.. but with the surface area and the shape of this surface area.. and this fact is now widely accepted. (perhaps not by you??)

I'm perfectly aware that I don't have any single chance to convince "Dynausorus".. and I will not even try.. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

But fortunately they are also "open minded poeple" and I'll be very pleased to have the chance to discuss with them..

Yes, why not?? my theories can be wrong??.. but I will be pleased to learn WHY.. but I don't want to listen to those who say "we have been doing that for thousands of years. it should be right!!!" This is not a good answer for me..

So, if you have some good (scientifics) explanations to why my teories are wrong.. I will be also pleased to discuss them with you.. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Hi Alain

I do not wish to get into any arguments but should point out that your comment but I don't want to listen to those who say "we have been doing that for thousands of years" infers that you think that professional practice is not modern.

I think most will see the fallacy in your comment.

{For the sake of good order I should point out that I have taken some advice from Alain in the past. He recommended to me the use of the press into the link type coloured anchor chain markers (given his favouring of nylon rodes I cannot imagine how he got experience with marking chain, however /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif). I can advise that they are all installed and waiting to be tested this Southern Hemisphere summer. Alain has already been warned that if they fall out I will be visiting him with a shotgun /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.}

Regards

John
 
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you think that professional practice is not modern.

I think most will see the fallacy in your comment.



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Hi John!..

Many thanks for your answer..

Is that the only "good (scientifics) explanations to why my teories are wrong.. "???

I think most will see the fallacy in your comment. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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