The age of Steam and the Weir direct acting pump

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It must be over a 100 years old by now and perhaps forgotten except by a few , those that built it and those that used it . A bit of Britain's industrial history .

It was an essential part of the closed feed system - invented by G and J Weir coupled on to Watt's condensing expansion engine which must have powered a million ships thus improving the efficiency of the complete steam cycle. The system is now only used in large 1000 MW power stations .

The pumps varied in size from about 2 foot long to the monster vertical units which stood over 9 feet tall. A double acting steam cylinder close coupled to a pumping cylinder made of cast iron for condensate or Admiralty brass for condenser cooling by sea water . Added to that were condensate deaerators , brass condensers , cast iron seawater filters and vacuum freshwater evaporator distillers heated by the hot condensate as well as the various stages of feed water heaters fed by steam bled from the cylinders of the triple expansion engines before being injected into the boilers

I was lucky to do my practical training in Weirs of Cathcart whose apprentice training section must have trained innumerable ships engineers right up until the sixties when only Shell used steam in their tankers ultimately succumbing to the almighty noisy diesel engine . I remember photographs of them in their uniforms hung up on the wal of the training centre I also remember when a lot of my colleagues went on the sea trials of the QE2 which incorporated the whole system .

I assembled and tested the DA pump in the assembly and testing bay with all the parts fitting together like a mecanno set finally lapping the cylinders fitting the pistons and piston rings , lifting the complete assembly over to the test bay connecting steam and water , operning the stop valve watching and listening to the piston rod go up and down bumping at the end of each stroke and then adjusting the rod that operated the steam shuttle valve until the stroke was nicely balanced and dampened at the end of each stroke . There may be some operating today somewhere and many ships engineers may have sat by one listening to its contented hiss and thump

Is there any one left out there who has ever operated or maintained one ? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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Sounds to me like you need to go visit this place and, perhaps, take your spanners too.

Here's a tempter
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"Hurts your brain ? Surprised ? You obviously were not interested in trains as a boy or played around with hydraulics on a beach
However more interesting than a P trap or a ball cock which like the DA pump are associated with movement of fluids though I confess I too have contemplated the aesthetics and movement of ball cocks and P traps of different kinds working or not in far flung places around the world
 

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Happy days!

I served my apprenticeship as an electrician in the early '60s in a jute mill in Dundee. It was only 5 years before I started that the old beam engine which drove the whole mill had been removed. The 2 Lancashire boilers were still there, although only one remained in use to provide steam for parts of the process. The feed pump was a Weirs as described.

When I finished my apprenticeship, I joined BP Tanker Co, and joined the British Merlin - http://www.mowbars.plus.com/Pictures/british%20merlin.html - the second one. Although this was a motor ship - B&W 6 cylinder opposed piston 2 stroke, a lot of the auxilliaries were steam driven, as was the cargo pumps. 2 Scotch boilers, and yes, 2 Weirs feed pumps. The stand-by seawater & jacket water pumps were rotary steam driven pumps, which were either Weirs, or Drysdale - I can't remember which after all this time.

My favorite, as the electrician, was the stand by generator - Bellis & Morcame (sp?) compound steam engine driving 75Kw generator 220v DC.

Did you ever work on the Weirs "Christmas tree" air compressors??

One steam cylinder, and 3-stage air cylinders all on the one shaft! The reason we called them christmas trees was that there was pipes and valves on each cylinder all the way up, just like the decorations on a tree.

Thank you for the memories, and yes, I still like steam ! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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I did my apprenticeship at Brown Bros where we made the stabilisers for the QE2 - never go to go on the sea trials though. I didn't get to Weir till 1974 and worked for them for 15years. Still amazed that they built a gyrocopter.
 

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Yes have seen pictures of the gyrocopter . Thats one thing about Weirs they were good innovators .
lots of good guys working there in the 60's and 70's- . There was a lot of up front design technology .

They also gave a good basic grounding in all areas .They had their own coppershop ,foundry at one time and had the largest machine shop in th UK Even went into desalination. Imported sea water to Cathcart and developed the multistage flash distillation process now being manufactured by others and used throughout the world .

Do you remember the tea urns always on the boil . I wonder if one can still get the tea cans we used to drink out of . Best tea I ever had
 

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Its amazing how sometimes TV can stimulate old memories . I was watching Fred Dibner's programme the other night .

I think I recall the Weir X mas tree compressors . I also worked on the small geared turbine and the combined turbine and water lubricated feed pump. Worked on the design of the water lubricated bearing for this pump .

What fascinated me however were the evaporators . They could produce pure water from sea water (unchlorinated) boiling it in as near a vacuum as you can get with a rotovane pump using diesel engine cooling water as the heating medium 90 degrees F if I recall
 

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Colin

Thanks for the link to Crossness. I've made a note of the public open days in 2005 in the hope that I might be able to get there. The irony is that I used to work not far away from there. You might also have given the link to the Greenwich Industrial History Society website where your pic comes from. Loads more there for those interested.

Another good place to visit for those interested in this sort of thing is Kew Bridge Steam Museum
 

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Like jmirvine I served my apprenticeship as an electrician in the East of Scotland.
In my case, a paper mill near Kincardine on Forth. We had two coal fired "Yarrow" boilers supplying the mill and generating plant with steam. The boilers were fed with Weir "electro feeders" but there were many weir direct acting pumps employed in other places. The "Stand by Generator" there was also a Bellis & Morecombe of about 150Kw. It could just about keep essential lighting going.
Like jm I also went to sea in the 60's. In my case the RFA. My second ship was a Canadian built "FORT", similar to the American "LIBERTY". The main engine was a triple expansion of 2,500 SHP. The generating plant was 6X15Kw single cylinder steam generators made by the HARLAND Eng.CO. of Canda. (Parent company Harland Engineering of Alloa, later taken over by Weirs). You could only run 4 generators at sea as 5 would starve the Weir direct acting feed pump of steam and so starve the two Scotch boilers of water!
During the course of 38 years at sea I sailed with many Weirs products including the TWL feed pump and "VAPS"
We were still running "steamies" until about 2000. The generators in these ships were 4X1250Kw. Or each one about the same size as the main engine in the "FORT" Shell still run steam tankers and Gas carriers as do some other operators.
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You obviously were not interested in trains as a boy or played around with hydraulics on a beach

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Beach? Trains? Eeeh, we used to dream of beaches and playing with old hydraulic bits when I were a lad. We had to make do with a bit of old string and play on t'Council tip.

As for fluid dynamics, the only one I'm interested in at the moment is in a pint glass next to me!
 

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The end of Steam (and the Brotherhoods turboalternator)

The ship that I recall was a bulk carrier built at Sunderland in the 1980's which had a Senior Green Diesecon boiler driving a Peter Brotherhood turbine alternator to take the sea load. This was a response to the oil price and was a really good idea apart from:

(a) the boiler design, which had been taken a stage too far, imho, and was somewhat prone to soot fires unless washed and watched very carefully and

(b) the aforementioned oil price, which meant that the ship was almost always slow steaming, which meant not enough steam to run the T/A...

...but that little turbine was a very nice bit of kit.
 

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Beam engine , seen it working , not used in ships though , good for pumping water particularly in mines

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It was used in ships!

Long, long before my time, but my ex-employers, who incidentally are still around and running 47 ships in liner service, used beam engines in side wheel paddle steamers on the rivers of China in the 1870's and for many years after that. They were called "walkie walkie ships" as the beam was above the upper deck and could be seen slowly moving up and down, once per paddle revolution.

I believe that this design of paddler, which of course had a single cylinder and single crank, connected rigidly to both wheels, originated in the USA; British paddlers more usually had two cylinders set on an incline and acting directly one per wheel - since the crankshaft was in two parts the paddles could be operated one ahead one astern which aided manoevrability and made life easier in a seaway, but these were considerably more expensive to build.
 
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