Thames Speed Limit Changes?

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As you are obviously very familiar with this stretch of water,why is it "Another piece of politically correct lunacy" to introduce a speed limit ?

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Yes I do know the Thames very well, having used it, worked on and by it, and grown up by it.

There has NEVER been any form of accident where the sole attributable cause was speed, as opposed to errors in navigation, etc. Perhaps if you know different you would like to quote the MAIB report reference?

Speed limits on water, as on roads, do nothing to address accidents but do add extra burdens on those creating the wealth of this country. The Clippers should, of course, be being praised by the idiot Livingstone et al as helping reduce road traffic and congestion, and provide a vital link for commuters within the city. To double the time taken by this service, for no legitimate reason, will merely add to the burdens and costs faced by business, not to mention reducing people's quality of life by extending their daily commute. The same goes for the rib ride businesses which, again, contribute to the economy by increasing tourist revenue and employing people.

Why should this revenue and employment be thrown away, and people lose jobs, due to some decision with absolutely no grounds in fact?

Perhaps you would like to suggest a single, fact based reason why a speed limit is a good thing?
 
"Yes I do know the Thames very well, having used it, worked on and by it, and grown up by it."

Your advice on mooring up at the bouys outside St Kats would be most helpful to the forum,especially those of us without your long experience of boating.
 
I'm not sure that the introduction of a speed limit on the river is anything to do with Ken Livingstone. While I do understand that for some people he represents the most foul and evil thing on the earth, but to blame him for everything that happens in London is less than analytical! The speed limit, right or wrong (and I don't much fancy it, but can see some logic in Central London), is down to the PLA.

To me, the concern is the definition of central London. Personally, I tend to keep the speed down (usually something around 8 - 12 knots) until I'm downstream of Tower Bridge - not least because I can see what's ahead much better once I'm clear of the trip boat piers. Provided I can still get going once I'm into the Lower Pool then I won't mind too much.

Finally, I am not sure that the argument against risk assessments stands up. I work in aviation safety - and risk assessments are consequently a part of my life. We work on the principle that its no longer acceptable to wait for an accident and then try to make sure that its not repeated - we now try and identify where/why the accident may happen - and address the issue before it does. We don't kill so many people that way. The system isn't perfect, and, for less experienced people, it provides an excuse for a very conservative approach. Used properly, however, risk assessments are a useful tool - not a part of a nanny state.
 
Since I was the only poster to mention Ken , then I'll reply.
I never stated or hinted that Ken was behind the speed limit,
only that organisations he is associated with have imposed penalties
for failure to adhere to schedules. To then expect
these carriers to meet schedule times whilst halving their speed
is absurd.

Luckily , the PLA have provided a possible exemption.

See? No evil empire, conspiracy or socialist plot in sight.

Still think Ken is a greasy little Trot though. No analysis required.
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Chances are that those who run the "Nanny State" saw Clarkson zooming along on Top Gear proclaiming "There is no speed limit!" and thought "We will soon change that!"

Miserable Gits!
 
I fear you are not wrong there, that programme has a massive audience, I think this probably has nothing to do with the Clippers but more to do with fast commuter ribs, sightseeing ribs and city types in "speedboats".
As you say the sight of anybody enjoying speed is bound to bring out the nannies, unfortunately it will do nothing for the genuine leisure boater, we will still get cut up by the huge trip boats and left bouncing in their wake outside St Kats etc... I just hope any speed limit only applies to the Pool of London otherwise the trip down to the estuary will be a 4-6 hour slog. My fear is that any speed limit will eventualy become a blanket limit down the whole river.
 
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I fear you are not wrong there, that programme has a massive audience, I think this probably has nothing to do with the Clippers but more to do with fast commuter ribs, sightseeing ribs and city types in "speedboats".
As you say the sight of anybody enjoying speed is bound to bring out the nannies, unfortunately it will do nothing for the genuine leisure boater, we will still get cut up by the huge trip boats and left bouncing in their wake outside St Kats etc... I just hope any speed limit only applies to the Pool of London otherwise the trip down to the estuary will be a 4-6 hour slog. My fear is that any speed limit will eventualy become a blanket limit down the whole river.

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I think it's got more to do with a recent accident by, IIRC, Albert Bridge, when a jet boat carrying passengers hit the bridge pillar after the helmsman dropped the wrong nozzle to turn.

As usual, this has given rise to the "speed kills" type mentality instead of addressing the proper issue of simple human error.

I shall be contacting the PLA directly, and we'll see what sort of sham their consultation period turns out to be. I can't see many actual river users being in favour, and I'd love to know the methodology of the risk assessment used.
 
Wells 8 knots
Chichester 8knots
Poole 10 knots
Langthorne 10knots
Taff or Ely 5 knots
Salcombe 8 knots
Channel Isles ( Harbours) 6 knots
Falmouth 8 knots
Medway 8 knots
Plymouth 8 knots
Just a few random examples of Googling marine speed limit.Every single stretch of enclosed water appears to have some sort of limit around 5-10 knots even down to Auckland Harbour in Aus. who have 12 knots.Curious as to why one particular congested and very busy section of the Thames should be exempt ?
 
You know that it was going to be 5knots on the Thames, but the secretary tasked with typing it up, mistyped it as 5mph, then the politically correct buffoons converted it to 8Km an hour cos we are in Europe.

Nice to know my £590 a year pays for such expertise where it counts!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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You know that it was going to be 5knots on the Thames, but the secretary tasked with typing it up, mistyped it as 5mph, then the politically correct buffoons converted it to 8Km an hour cos we are in Europe.

Nice to know my £590 a year pays for such expertise where it counts!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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Would that be the same persons who designed the Rising Sun - "lock keeper away down the pub", er - at a meeting , er, lovingly tending his weirs?
 
I guess its representation of a big hole down which all out hard earned is being thrown.......... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
Just for your information as i work on the river myself, heres the deal with the speed limit:

- The 12knot speed limit applys from Cherry Garden Pier up to Wandsworth Bridge where it becomes 8knots (The clipper boats ease down at Wapping Pier Silver Fleet and speed up again here outwards)

- Theres no other speed limit below Cherry Garden Pier other than to mind heavy wash when passing piers and to listen to the broadcasts on channel 14 for any 'ease downs' in the area
 
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