Tek-dek = boat lino

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Re: tek dek - incredibly expensive

OK TCM,

Taking your Lino argument what about AMTICO? That is a premium fake product that costs also about 75% of the real thing and is very popular with some people. I think Tek-Dek is a premium alternative and there are others about that are not as good (currently 3/4 on the market that I have seen) and these are cheaper yet still only 50% of real price. Of course these products are all supposed to be also easier to work with than real teak (so they say) so I think you would benefit from saving time on fitting? What do you think,

Paul
 
Re: synthetic Teak - incredibly expensive??

Extrusions are slightly more complex than growing a tree, therefore the price is a near match. The main issue with the price is when you lay the decking, as wood needs more doing to it, it costs more to lay, synthetic Teaks are glued or heatwelded together plank by plank, they can bend, so therefore less labour - i.e. aquastar 45ft lino £10,000, Wood £17,500 - This quote the customer went for Teak, as per my advice.
 
Re: synthetic Teak - incredibly expensive??

But trees take many years to grow, cut down, sawn up, seasoned, shipped to UK, Machined to 50mm planks, rebated ect. Plastic Extrusionsis a press of a button!

A bucket from B&Q 99 pence a lot more complex than lino! Guttering. pipes cheap too

A fake Rolex watch looks the same as a real Rolex, but feels different.

Nobody can see!

Fake Teak looks Fake and everybody can see.

Depends what you want!
 
Removing tekdek?

Hm, " Extrusions are more complex than growing a tree" I don't think so. The extrusion can be made in an unattended machine running day and night. *Much* easier than growing a tree on the other side ogf the planet as any fule knows.

Anyway, thank goodness the aquastar didn't get wrecked. Putting tekdek on that would have been like fixing a ceiling with polystyrene tiles.

Which begs the question - how do you get rid of tek dek? Is their a solvent for the glue. I jut know that in the same way as people spent loads of time in the pasrt twenty years getting rid of polystyrene tiles of their ceilings, the same will happen with tek dek and we oughta know the answer.
 
Re: Removing tekdek?

It just shows what level of knowledge you have of the plastic industry, go to bed and re-wake!!

Just pressing a button?? what about the different ingredients, temperature, speed, water temperature, sanding etc...
 
I for one think the stuff is great. when I asked about it on here last year I got very favourable reports. I got a piece of it from Xcell last year & have put dirty engine oil, paint. grease, & various other unsavory fluids on it. All which cleaned off without any trouble at all. However when I contacted the Tek dek agent in Spain giving him measurements & requesting a quote (Mar 95) I am still waiting for him to turn up to do the job. To me this is a good product. unfortunatly the distribution & marketing side is sadly lacking, & then I think if I cant get him to turn up what would the after sales service be like if a problem arose................Nat
 
Re: synthetic Teak - incredibly expensive??

Another end to a quality debate....and I nearly fell for it. The question is "who is winding who up", some people (including me) maybe getting palyed on this.....

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Re: Spanish Tek-Dek

Send me the details and I'll re-quote, we can fit the product whenever, wherever you like. We are however, on a 4-5 week lead time for fitting, unless its urgent. With regards to aftermarket care, we are only a 1 hour flight from Spain!!
 
Agreed.

I got this firm to send me samples. Look like real teak? Not on yer nelly! Plastic shite and v. expensive plastic shite. I'd rather stick to my mdf semi-caulked look-alike white deck stuff thats faded and shows boot marks as you tread down to the knackered carpet in the cabin... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Re: Removing tekdek?

Hm. I know a fair bit about plastics extrusion, and it would seem a touch more than you do.

The manufacture of dies through which the extrusion is forced - toolmaking-, the manufacturing trials and operating conditions, feed rates and so on are all part of the setup. I was once involved in toolmaking, as it happens.

However, once all the parameters are set - it jolly well HAD be a matter of pressing the go button- as otherwise the repeatability is low. It cannot be forever reliant upon "up a bit, down a bit " judgements as you seem to imply it might be.

Indeed, the whole point of NC and CNC machine tools over the past 40 years has been dedicated to ever-increasing exclusion of that variable human factor, and hence ever-improved repeatability and product quality.

A diferent set of rules apply to sales, and you seem unaware of these too.

If you pretend that you know everything and the customer doesn't (as you just did, incorrectly) and/or if you can't enter a sensible dialogue about a subject without flying off the handle (as you did) then your view won't warrant much if any consideration.

Still want to carry on?

If you like, we can discuss the aspects of the manufacturing proces that you feel are so unbelievably complex.

But in fact, if the price of teak fell to half its current price, tek-dek could do the same. The costs of manufacture are small, with significant economies of scale.
 
Thats nothing compared to....

...the 200-odd years it takes to grow the blimmin tree in the first place.

I suppose you argue that your product (I see you have an interest here) is more environmentally friendly but it ain't really coz plastics production is hideously bad for the atmosphere and it does not bio-degrade...ever!
 
Re: Spanish Tek-Dek

If plastic teak requires you to be on 24hr guard to defend it from any teeny weeny adverse comment perhaps it's not quite so good as you think it is.

Oh, and I've bought loads of teak from somewhere else but many thanks for your offer to sell me some nice and cheaply on that other thread.

ps you're more than 1hr from Spain
 
No, no, no! Not faux wood.

Its horrid. It looks false and it is false. Part of the charm of real teak is that it ages like a quality wood should with salt air and sun.

I have little teak on CI, but what I have gets a hammering every year, and every year I spend a couple of hours on it cleaning it with teak oil and every year the lustre never fails to return - along with that nice expensive smell...mmm.

Not smelling like that hideous plastics factory that offends your nose as you travel over the Runcorn - Widnes bridge. Bleaghh.

And what if you accidently stand a soldering iron on it whilst fitting your new electronic gizmo? What then? Stinking hole is what happens. A piece of teak can be lightly sanded and no one will be any the wiser.
 
Underpromise, over-deliver

just a small point - probaly not relevant to tekdek - consider praps not saying things like "it's 4-5 week lead time - unless its urgent" cos it's a total windup. When the guys arrive in 5 weeks it's clear that that client wasn't at all urgent. Or, the client will insist it *is* urgent and then be cheesed off again when you say well, hard luck, it's 4-5 weeks.

The same applies to "we're a one hour flight from Spain". I mean, you aren't. It's nearer five or six hours door to door so it'd be very good if someone arived the next day, really. If you said you could be there within 2 working days then arriving the next day would be very pleasing. At the moment, you've left someone with the idea you can be in spain in 1 hour, so they are bound to be cheesed off.

Underpromise, overdeliver.

Actually, the same *might well* apply to tek dek. You banging on about how incredibly like teak it is but better isn't credible. You could engage from that starting point, rather than bouncing in with wild claims and aftersales service provided by (apparently) jet fighter pilots.
 
It's bloody awful plastic!! Lets not fool ourselves! Nature developed teak over millions of years, it evolved itself to protect itself against all kinds of diseases, borers, fungus etc. etc. That's why its so effin durable, it was an accident that it looks so good on boats, left natural. If you cant afford teak (and tek-dek is not much cheaper), then paint yer decks mould antislip into them or add it later, whatever, but plastic artificial wood, sod off! Nowt wrong with plastic, but why make it to try and imitate wood? It's a load of b0ll0cks! Just like formica made to look like wood! Yuek!
I have a whole boat built of teak, put that [--word removed--] on my boat? Not a chance!
 
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