Technical question about Peeing

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stevebirch2002 said:
I use an empty 2 litre milk bottle (plastic) with the top cut off but keeping the handle intact. Works a treat in all weathers and just needs to be swilled out.

SB
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I'm with you on this one Steve. It's exactly what I use. Frequent replacements of said bottle are easy as well.

Jim
 
I thought this was going to be a question about outboard engines! :(
However a vote for kneeling. Hanging onto the shrouds under way is a non starter for me .. literally.
Rule on the boat I used to crew was to kneel. the owner even moved the loo back a bit to accommodate my long legs.
SWMBO would probably appreciate the improved cleanliness at home if you kneeled there too.

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BlueTwo said:
On some boats I have been on recently, males have been asked to kneel down in front of the loo when having a pee (to avoid splashing the woodwork I suppose).

I find it a bit difficult to empty my bladder this way so need a return visit shortly afterwards. Therefore I have been thinking that there may be a technical reason for it.

Choosing my words carefully. When a male stands up to have a pee the longer unbroken stream must have a greater weight than when he kneels down and issues a shorter stream. Does this greater weight have a syphon type effect that drags out the pee more efficiently.

To extend the discussion. If that is true, then on a calm day, if a chap has a pee off a cliff, could the extra weight pull him off the cliff?

This is not a troll. I am genuinely interested in why the kneeling in front of the loo causes me a problem.
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Very serious now! having just had my prostate "fried" by radiotherapy, I find it difficult to pee sitting down, apparantly to do with the fact that scar tissue affects the urethra. Standing up the tube falls naturally straight down from the bladder, thru the prostate and then down again to the exit. When you sit or kneel the urethra is bent and in my case makes it difficult to empty the bladder. I suspect a similar situation is happening here, bent urethra BUT also, is this signs of prostate trouble?, as I headed my previous post if you are of a certain age DONT DIE OF EMBARRASSMENT. If you are mid 50s on, go and see a GP!
Stu
 
The science - its the length of the enclosed tube (if you get what I mean) that determines the syphon effect, more relaxed standing = longer and greater syphon effect.

As to the bottle method, the 'racers' I've been on boats with use this techique in any private area (e.g. aft cabin), then post the contents through an openning port-hole (retaining the botle of course). This way there is no queing to get in the heads and no flushing required (or hand washing for that matter). The dirty bu@@ers.
 
Def do it girly-fashion (sitting). Easy peesy and no mess even in heavy seas.
 
I agree about the impossibility of peeing standing in the shrouds. It's a relaxation thing, compounded in my case by dislike of performing in public.
My boat's so small it's impossible to stand at the heads anyway - more a case of squatting and then reversing into a restricted entrance.

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I can still remember it after nearly 50 years!
 
Stand and Pee Hanging in the shrouds, but some may remember the old RNLI report about the DOWF syndrome which they encountered now and then during rescue missions searching for yachtsmen. Apparently all too often the recovered body displays the characteristic of DOWF (dick out when found)
 
My Gibsea 33 is well known for having good head room in the heads (sorry for pun) but it is true.
The space available would allow for any of the above mentioned positions for peeing.
However, unfortunatley it is currently fitted with the Jabsco Compact, hence a smaller target area, so I prefer to go with the the girly method. This does however have additional problems with the smaller compact model especially if one is well endo.... better not go any further on this subject.

The heads in the Gibsea also have an added attraction, there is a little hatch that accesses the engine bay just by the dipstick, so one never has any excuse not to regularly check the oil level.
 
TamarMike said:
How about peeing while standing into an empty 2 pint milk bottle then empty out of a scuttle.
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Many years ago I used to row. One of the highlights of our year was the Tideway Head of the River race. Nearly 400 racing eights, with most of them rowing gently from Putney to Mortlake, then turning round and racing back. But while we were waiting at Mortlake it was common for the crews to 'lighten ship'. Each cox carried a pint milk bottle and a towel. The bottle and towel were passed forward, with each oarsman in turn filling the bottle (sometimes several times) under cover of the towel, before again passing towel and bottle forward until it reached bow. Bow would then usually pass the towel back to the cox, but the bottle (glass, of course, no plastics in those days) was more commonly just dropped overboard.

If anyone should ever want a range of 1 pint milk bottles, I might suggest dredging just upstream from Mortlake Bridge. There must be thousands there.
 
BlueTwo said:
To extend the discussion. If that is true, then on a calm day, if a chap has a pee off a cliff, could the extra weight pull him off the cliff?
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No but if you believe this thread http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208514 then other things could topple some forumitews over the cliff.

I always ask male crew to pee sitting on the toilet when at sea -= though I have no way of checking that they do. Certainly peeing over the stern whilst holding onto the backstay isnt allowed. Had a firend who did that once, we hit a wave and he did a complete 360 round the backstay - not well received.:eek:
 
Having had this older gentlemans problem for a number of years, I have no time for skippers who discriminate against me. Fact - I simply can NOT pee properly seated. 1st things first: any gent suffering from this disability needs to have it checked out by the Doc (if you can get an appointment in the next 3 months with this flu thingy around - I cant!). Yes, Doc will want to do an internal exam. No, its not optional. You just MAY have a bad problem - Prostate Cancer is one of the biggest killers going, but also one of the easiest to cure if caught early enough.

Thankfully that was not the cause of my problem. But increasing difficulty peeing due to even a slightly enlarged prostate is so common as to be almost normal for us older men, fussy skippers take note! There are meds the Doc can give you which often help matters.

But if this is you - get it checked out. Now.

The simplest solution on board has already been posted - carry a suitable bottle or jug. Cutting milk cartons up sounds a good idea, except dont leave a sharp edge - in rough seas that could be nasty!
 
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johnphilip said:
Stand and Pee Hanging in the shrouds, but some may remember the old RNLI report about the DOWF syndrome which they encountered now and then during rescue missions searching for yachtsmen. Apparently all too often the recovered body displays the characteristic of DOWF (dick out when found)
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I did read that the release of pressure from the bladder on a particular nerve can cause a momentary dizziness. This was put forward as a possible explanation for the demise of Robert Maxwell.
 
Kilter said:
Easier just to sit on the bog maybe?
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Physically it's easier, but I find that it invokes the conditioned reflex that makes me want to do more than just pee, if you catch my drift. A couple of decent thick knee pads fitted to the floor to raise the knees and hence alter the angle of the spine (looking at Vic's drawing) would make all the difference I reckon.
 
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