powerskipper
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I was out on one today. Great cruising boat, and quiet too, you can talk while under-way easily. just the kind of boat to pop to France for lunch. and that forward cabin is just soo..........mmmmmmmmmmm!!!
Targa 58
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jimmy_the_builder
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powerskipper
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YUP
Well I liked it, and a great lunch in Yarmouth too,
may be playing with it more, on our girly days out.
Well I liked it, and a great lunch in Yarmouth too,
may be playing with it more, on our girly days out.
MapisM
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It must be a women thing... I've just been on one with swmbo, and she also loved it.
Me, I can't help thinking that the bed has the wrong orientation.
The shower is nice, though.
mjf
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I think you anchored too if I am not very much mistaken....
kcrane
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I can add my SWMBO to the list of "the T587 was the nicest boat at the show", looks like you are right, it's a hit with the ladies
powerskipper
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PowerYachtBlog
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Going the sport cruiser route,or was it just window shopping in Cannes!
MapisM
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Neither. Just happened to be there, and a friend of mine interested in that boat asked me to give her a look and report back.
Rest assured that you'll never hear from myself that I'm interested in a boat with sliding electric windows...
kcrane
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Rest assured that you'll never hear from myself that I'm interested in a boat with sliding electric windows...
You are selling it short, I think it had electric sliding blinds within the electric sliding windows. It also took 5 secs or so for the electric sliding roof to begin to move from when I pushed the button, which I guessed was some sophisticated sealing mechanism releasing.
MapisM
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Well, that wasn't my intention - just a case of "each to their own".
That said, I can explain my view, fwiw:
firstly, I'm not a fan of ANY "sophisticated mechanism" on a boat;
secondly, no matter how good the sealing is when the roof and windows are closed, salt water spray is bound to reach those mechanisms sooner or later, at least when they're open - and this is bound to make no good in the long run;
lastly, the windows frame welding was not only visible, but also of mediocre quality.
benjenbav
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I just wanted to read that statement again, and again...
I thought that I just didn't like electronic engine management systems but really I don't like anything of a non-mechanical nature.
I can hardly explain how perfect an ending to my day it was the other day when I came across a steam-powered traction engine on my way back home from the boat.
Nick_H
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I can hardly explain how perfect an ending to my day it was the other day when I came across a steam-powered traction engine on my way back home from the boat.
How about a paddle steamer in the Solent then, spotted last weekend?
benjenbav
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How about a paddle steamer in the Solent then, spotted last weekend?
That'll do nicely!!
Actually we saw the Waverley a couple of times last week. She was on the Pier at Yarmouth (one of the rare occasions when she had parked up alongside without actually ramming the jetty) when we were coming out and we had a good look round her.
I can remember going to Lundy from Ifracombe(?) about 30 years ago on the Waverley. Quite interesting with the paddle wheels churning away.
kcrane
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You are selling it short...
Well that wasn't my intention either, I should have added a smiley. I was indicating a degree of agreement.
In saying you were nervous about the electric windows, you could have been harsher and said that it even had electric blinds within electric windows, leaving lots of room for glitches.
I raised the divider between the saloon and cockpit. It didn't slide up in imperious and eerie silence, it made a noise that suggested the motors were struggling.
I instinctively like tech, even just electric blinds, but I'd be nervous about the amount of sophisticated equipment on the T58 until early owners had shown it was reliable. At this point jfm and poweryachtblog leap in and says it isn't new per se, it's been proven on larger boats, it's just new on the level of boats I look at.
Well that wasn't my intention either, I should have added a smiley. I was indicating a degree of agreement.
In saying you were nervous about the electric windows, you could have been harsher and said that it even had electric blinds within electric windows, leaving lots of room for glitches.
I raised the divider between the saloon and cockpit. It didn't slide up in imperious and eerie silence, it made a noise that suggested the motors were struggling.
I instinctively like tech, even just electric blinds, but I'd be nervous about the amount of sophisticated equipment on the T58 until early owners had shown it was reliable. At this point jfm and poweryachtblog leap in and says it isn't new per se, it's been proven on larger boats, it's just new on the level of boats I look at.
jimmy_the_builder
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I think you're right to be cautious about the folding sliding vanishing patio door gizmo - isn't it a brand new product developed for Fairline by Besenzoni specifically for the T58?
Cheers
Jimmy
Nick_H
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I guess the benefit of the Fairline tender launch system is that you can load the tender in the same way as a hydraulic platform, but you can still have the full hull length under it for better seakeeping. A hydraulic platform has other benefits though, you can stand on the platform to steady the tender, and more importantly you can quaff your seared scallops and champagne with your tootsies in the water, or have a platform for people to swim on and off, plus it reduces roll a bit when lowered as well. Without these benefits i'd prefer a crane/passarelle as it's easier to load the tender in a swell, allows full hull length, and is much cheaper to fit, so the Fairline system is a bit of a nicely engineered lemon for me.
I like the steps though, adjusts to any dock height and great for getting out the water
I like the steps though, adjusts to any dock height and great for getting out the water
aquapower
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How about a paddle steamer in the Solent then, spotted last weekend?
Is that running on smokeless fuel?
MapisM
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Whoops, sorry, I didn't grasp the irony!
Precisely my thought. I love technology when it serves a specific function, but nowadays some ideas seem more oriented to grab the attention at boat shows, rather than support real life usage...
PowerYachtBlog
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The type of system fully opening patio door has been seen for ages. Have seen a similar product on a mid early eighties Ferretti 38 Altura. The eighties Ferrettis where full of gizmos which the company still caries on with her as at today. At that time things where manual just good enough for MapisM style
The Ferretti had a similar manual version for all there past mid eighties produced flybridges, with the patio sliding under the stairs, and a window looping up top.
If this works fully hydraulic the first I saw this, was with the Baia 78 Atlantica which goes slides up top, and then Pershing came with a similar gizmo for the 72 in 2007, followed by the 80 and 64 models. Pershing version slides down is made by Besenzoni.
Besenzoni has been a great colloborator with Ferretti since the mid eighties, as Opac is infact with Azimut. Both marine sections of these companies where actually born by the needs of these boat builders.
As for the tender gizmo I have to agree with Mapis, is just a wasteful time of energy and money when you can do the same with a passarelle. I think a high and low bathing platform is easier, apart offering other benefits to the user, as closer to the water proximity if you want, and working as a stabilizer when fully down.
The same can be said for the layout on a Sport Yacht of the fore owners cabin, looks for a 2005 Rizzardi 63 and you have the same layout, but the bed looks to aft, as MapisM likes it! The old late eighties Sanlorenzo 57, and 62 also offered that same layout with the head infront to minimize the noise, a crew cabin infront of this, and the cabin taking a full beam size, altough not midship.
I think I have said all this back in January or December.
Saying all I like the style of the 58 Targa and I think at its size is the best Sport Yacht coming from Britain and for a hard top with patio door is a big challenge for everyone.
The only thing stupid I don't like is how that dangerous stern thruster hangs out aft. The difference today is very close that it comes to the details, and I hope Fairline fix this very soon as it a stupid one for a very great boat.
NOW where is my consultancy fee!